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> then you should have switched already. Until late last year the option was terrible keyboards or PC. So I waited. Then it was GPU fan issues (16" MacBook Pro

> then you should have switched already. Until late last year the option was terrible keyboards or PC. So I waited. Then it was GPU fan issues (16" MacBook Pro). So I waited. Now its a deprecated platform or wait or PC.

foldr 6y ago
You're never going to buy any Apple product if you listen to people whining online. Every time Apple release anything, there is a contingent of people saying that it sucks, it's unusable, etc. etc. The 4th gen butterfly keyboards work fine. I have two (personal MacBook Air and work MacBook Pro) and have had no reliability issues whatsoever over the past year. I also love the feel of the keyboards. I don't have any personal experience with the fan noise issue, but I'd advise trying to get some first-hand data on it. Whatever laptop you switch to is also going to have its issues and imperfections. There just isn't a contingent of people loudly complaining about them all over the internet. So for example, here is a comment elsewhere in this thread about using Linux on a thinkpad: >If you feel that you don't need a 4k resolution screen, then I would recommend getting one with a regular HD or a Quad HD screen instead. Scaling is still not optimal on X11, and it seems to take at least some toll on the CPU as well (which will also result in your fans spinning up from time to time).
- encom 6y ago
  >contingent of people saying that it sucks It's about the same size as the group of Apple apologists, neck deep in the reality distortion field, claiming that Apple is infallible and that you're holding it wrong.
  - foldr 6y ago
    What relevance does that have? I'm certainly not saying that Apple is infallible. And who cares what extremists on either side think if you're trying to make a reasonable decision about what product to buy?
    - nix23 6y ago
      The relevance is, PC and Apple have their fan-base, but one of them is often completely blind.
      - foldr 6y ago
        That is irrelevant, even if true. If you want to talk seriously about this issue, focus on criticising the products, not the people who buy them.
        nix23 6y ago
        I would never criticize a apple buyer, always just the product's, i really dont care where you trow your money at.

foldr 6y ago

You're never going to buy any Apple product if you listen to people whining online. Every time Apple release anything, there is a contingent of people saying that it sucks, it's unusable, etc. etc. The 4th gen butterfly keyboards work fine. I have two (personal MacBook Air and work MacBook Pro) and have had no reliability issues whatsoever over the past year. I also love the feel of the keyboards. I don't have any personal experience with the fan noise issue, but I'd advise trying to get some first-hand data on it. Whatever laptop you switch to is also going to have its issues and imperfections. There just isn't a contingent of people loudly complaining about them all over the internet. So for example, here is a comment elsewhere in this thread about using Linux on a thinkpad: >If you feel that you don't need a 4k resolution screen, then I would recommend getting one with a regular HD or a Quad HD screen instead. Scaling is still not optimal on X11, and it seems to take at least some toll on the CPU as well (which will also result in your fans spinning up from time to time).

encom 6y ago
>contingent of people saying that it sucks It's about the same size as the group of Apple apologists, neck deep in the reality distortion field, claiming that Apple is infallible and that you're holding it wrong.
- foldr 6y ago
  What relevance does that have? I'm certainly not saying that Apple is infallible. And who cares what extremists on either side think if you're trying to make a reasonable decision about what product to buy?
  - nix23 6y ago
    The relevance is, PC and Apple have their fan-base, but one of them is often completely blind.
    - foldr 6y ago
      That is irrelevant, even if true. If you want to talk seriously about this issue, focus on criticising the products, not the people who buy them.
      - nix23 6y ago
        I would never criticize a apple buyer, always just the product's, i really dont care where you trow your money at.