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The article says that this bill applies to operating systems just as well. It's doesn't matter what's typical or reasonable, the hostile actors pushing this and

The article says that this bill applies to operating systems just as well. It's doesn't matter what's typical or reasonable, the hostile actors pushing this and the EARN IT act don't care. Let's skip the denial stage. This is not a technical problem, it's a political problem and needs political solutions. Whatever technical solution you come up with will simply be made illegal if anyone but the nerdy 0.0001% will end up using it. We are rushing full speed towards a police state. We have to stop.

austincheney 6y ago
> Whatever technical solution you come up with will simply be made illegal if anyone but the nerdy 0.0001% will end up using it. But that never happened with BitTorrent. Conversely, industry gradually stopped caring about pursuits of IP violators. While this is ultimately a political problem it will only be practiced where it’s enforceable like all other political problems.
- mratsim 6y ago
  > While this is ultimately a political problem it will only be practiced where it’s enforceable like all other political problems. Building a company in the US becomes an untenable legal and security risk as if you don't backdoor yourself you'll be liable but if you backdoor yourself and competitors or spies or journalists get the keys, I'm pretty sure you can't ask the US government to pay back the financial or PR losses (which is actually something you can do in Switzerland for privacy-related issues)
- nikitaga 6y ago
  Nobody really uses Bittorrent to undermine the police state. They don't care about your dealings with the media industry as much. And hey, why didn't you say "but that never happened to encryption"? Because it's about to happen in the US? Because it happened in Australia already? You think a government that is seriously considering such bills will "gradually stop caring" about assaulting constitutional protections by banning effective encryption? If you haven't noticed, we're moving in the opposite direction, and not very gradually I might add.
  - austincheney 6y ago
    I am not making assumptions either way.

austincheney 6y ago

> Whatever technical solution you come up with will simply be made illegal if anyone but the nerdy 0.0001% will end up using it. But that never happened with BitTorrent. Conversely, industry gradually stopped caring about pursuits of IP violators. While this is ultimately a political problem it will only be practiced where it’s enforceable like all other political problems.

mratsim 6y ago
> While this is ultimately a political problem it will only be practiced where it’s enforceable like all other political problems. Building a company in the US becomes an untenable legal and security risk as if you don't backdoor yourself you'll be liable but if you backdoor yourself and competitors or spies or journalists get the keys, I'm pretty sure you can't ask the US government to pay back the financial or PR losses (which is actually something you can do in Switzerland for privacy-related issues)
nikitaga 6y ago
Nobody really uses Bittorrent to undermine the police state. They don't care about your dealings with the media industry as much. And hey, why didn't you say "but that never happened to encryption"? Because it's about to happen in the US? Because it happened in Australia already? You think a government that is seriously considering such bills will "gradually stop caring" about assaulting constitutional protections by banning effective encryption? If you haven't noticed, we're moving in the opposite direction, and not very gradually I might add.
- austincheney 6y ago
  I am not making assumptions either way.