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There's no conspiracy, just stupidity on a massive scale. Governments have managed to pressure each other into needing detailed case counts which means mass te
by thu2111 6y ago
There's no conspiracy, just stupidity on a massive scale.
Governments have managed to pressure each other into needing detailed case counts which means mass testing. This is hardly done before. It's seen as obvious and required by any civilised country (although it's not).
If you do widespread testing for a virus that isn't really very deadly, you'll immediately get a hugely ambiguous dataset in which people are labelled as having been infected at the moment of death, but in which it's totally unclear if the virus really caused the death or not. In many cases you can't even really say why someone died without an autopsy which isn't gonna happen for so many basically routine deaths.
It's an inevitable consequence of demanding data, but having political, scientific and media leadership that are unable or unwilling to interpret it honestly, lest they be attacked for downplaying the risk and potentially not saving a life, somewhere, somehow.
what do you think the mortality rate of the virus is? Experts at this point pin it at somewhere ....
I don't know. Nobody does, except it's obviously very low, as the numbers even of "infected at time of death" are already quite low, and if you select only cases with no co-morbidities it's really incredibly low.
Health "experts" have the same problem all experts have: they can offer any answer at all and not be held to account, except if they give the most honest answer: we don't know. That answer is one they cannot offer without undermining the justification for their own job and social status. It's why non-experts are so often more correct than "experts" - they can correctly weigh up uncertainty without risking their livelihoods.
- joshuamorton 6y agoThis doesn't respond to either of the points I made: that raw deaths have increased in non us nations, and did so even prior to lockdowns being implemented. > Those numbers agree with expert opinions on the mortality rate. In many cases you can't even really say why someone died without an autopsy which isn't gonna happen for so many basically routine deaths. Death due to sudden onset pneumonia isn't super common. And there aren't that many causes. If you die in a hospital due to pneumonia having tested positive for covid, yes it's actually very likely that covid is that killed you. You can disagree with that all you want but it's ultimately the way the world works. And it's kind of scary and not fun, but it's a truth we should death with, not avoid. > any answer at all and not be held to account, except if they give the most honest answer: we don't know. Scientists are actually exceedingly good at giving this answer. It's why there number I gave had a confidence interval. Experts are so good at saying "we don't know" that they can quantify it. And they do. And even to the extent that the expert opinion is 2 sigma off, you're still completely wrong. Let me ask you this: given all the information you have, how many people do you believe have died of covid in the us? How many have been infected?