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It should block sensitive data, but obviously not full service. If they start blocking services who said yours won't be next? It's like google and blocking webs

It should block sensitive data, but obviously not full service. If they start blocking services who said yours won't be next? It's like google and blocking websites when they want. You just can't do that because it's wrong in so many ways. You can't make a great product without analytics (in vast majority of cases). It just should collect only required data for improving product, not marketing purposes. If you start blocking all analytics then expect that you will have to use garbage products.

gtufano 6y ago
I don't really know, but I can assure you we had great products before Google Analytics existed and, fwiw, an advertising industry existed before tracking.
saagarjha 6y ago
ITP blocks analytics that have cross-domain tracking abilities, not "all analytics".
Nextgrid 6y ago
> If you start blocking all analytics then expect that you will have to use garbage products. The whole analytics/spyware era properly started in the last decade, and the last decade is surprisingly also when most software started going to shit, like Windows 10, iOS or even macOS. I'm not convinced that analytics leads to better software in any way, and all the information I've got so far leads me to believe the opposite.
- risyachka 6y ago
  The fact they went to shit has nothing to do with analytics. Analytics is just a tool. Like any other it can be used for bad or for good. Just like a hammer.
  - mytherin 6y ago
    > The fact they went to shit has nothing to do with analytics. Perhaps, perhaps not. Analytics can definitely guide developers along the wrong path. A typical example is that it leads to simplification to cater to 80% of their userbase at the expense of the power users. After all, analytics tells us all these extensive options are only used by 20% of the people, why offer them at all? But then the power users become frustrated and leave, and the remaining 80% who were mostly beginners on their way to becoming power users now find that the software lacks the in-depth options they needed later on. Then they don't stick around either because you just gutted your own product. I agree with you that analytics is a tool; it can be useful, but often it is not and often it hurts more than it helps. I also claim that it is definitely not essential to modern software development.
    - VRay 6y ago
      My favorite analytics trick is to prove that every time a bug or complaint crops up, it only has a 1% chance of happening in any given month, and then slack off on fixing it .. Woopsies, if there are 200 bugs that happen once a month, that means that there's only a 13% chance of making it through a month without experiencing at least one of those bugs..
    - Nextgrid 6y ago
      Analytics can also allow anyone to misrepresent the data in any way they want in order to push their narrative, either deliberately or accidentally because analytics don't show everything and you might be making a worse decision in the long-run based on those misguided insights. "If you torture the data enough, it will confess to anything".

gtufano 6y ago

I don't really know, but I can assure you we had great products before Google Analytics existed and, fwiw, an advertising industry existed before tracking.

saagarjha 6y ago

ITP blocks analytics that have cross-domain tracking abilities, not "all analytics".

Nextgrid 6y ago

> If you start blocking all analytics then expect that you will have to use garbage products. The whole analytics/spyware era properly started in the last decade, and the last decade is surprisingly also when most software started going to shit, like Windows 10, iOS or even macOS. I'm not convinced that analytics leads to better software in any way, and all the information I've got so far leads me to believe the opposite.

risyachka 6y ago
The fact they went to shit has nothing to do with analytics. Analytics is just a tool. Like any other it can be used for bad or for good. Just like a hammer.
- mytherin 6y ago
  > The fact they went to shit has nothing to do with analytics. Perhaps, perhaps not. Analytics can definitely guide developers along the wrong path. A typical example is that it leads to simplification to cater to 80% of their userbase at the expense of the power users. After all, analytics tells us all these extensive options are only used by 20% of the people, why offer them at all? But then the power users become frustrated and leave, and the remaining 80% who were mostly beginners on their way to becoming power users now find that the software lacks the in-depth options they needed later on. Then they don't stick around either because you just gutted your own product. I agree with you that analytics is a tool; it can be useful, but often it is not and often it hurts more than it helps. I also claim that it is definitely not essential to modern software development.
  - VRay 6y ago
    My favorite analytics trick is to prove that every time a bug or complaint crops up, it only has a 1% chance of happening in any given month, and then slack off on fixing it .. Woopsies, if there are 200 bugs that happen once a month, that means that there's only a 13% chance of making it through a month without experiencing at least one of those bugs..
  - Nextgrid 6y ago
    Analytics can also allow anyone to misrepresent the data in any way they want in order to push their narrative, either deliberately or accidentally because analytics don't show everything and you might be making a worse decision in the long-run based on those misguided insights. "If you torture the data enough, it will confess to anything".