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Is your statement intended to be ironic? Gay people were heavily censored in the early 90s outside of cities like San Francisco and West Hollywood. It wasn't u
by gamblor956 6y ago
Is your statement intended to be ironic?
Gay people were heavily censored in the early 90s outside of cities like San Francisco and West Hollywood. It wasn't until Will and Grace premiered in 1998 that the needle began moving toward acceptance.
- SketchySeaBeast 6y agoI mean, there was literally an official government policy called "Don't ask, don't tell".
- koheripbal 6y agoWhich was entirely reasonable. ...because the point of the military isn't to discuss your gender alignment. The unfairness of it became obvious when every other enlisted man would talk about their latest sex partner and the gay person had to just stand awkwardly silent. ...but the policy itself was rooted in a reasonable desire for soldiers to focus on soldiering.
- SketchySeaBeast 6y agoI'd love to see the list of all the other mundane things you weren't allowed to talk about because they distracted from soldiering. It only seems reasonable if you only consider it in an idealized vacuum.
- tomnipotent 6y agoAccording to Wikipedia [1], comedy TV shows with LGBT characters by decade (which is probably a good proxy). Ellen's "coming out" episode was in 1997. 70s: 12 80s: 11 90s: 28 00s: 45 Willing to wager the trend is similar to movies. We had (just the ones I can recall off-hand, but had to lookup years): Paris is Burning ('90) My Own Private Idaho ('91) Fried Green Tomatoes ('91) Philadelphia ('93) To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar ('95) Jeffrey ('95) Birdcage ('96) Bound ('96) In & Out ('97) Boys Don't Cry ('99) Of course, most of these role were filled by cis people. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comedy_television_series_with_LGBT_characters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comedy_television_seri...
- elliekelly 6y agoBut how often were those characters the butt of the joke or gay for comedic relief?
- tomnipotent 6y agoAs of 2015, same-sex marriage is legal across all 50 states (no idea about territories). Progress can sometimes can incredibly ugly, and I wish it wasn't, but a win is a win.
- Klinky 6y agoCivil Rights Act was 1964, and we're still struggling to live up to standard proposed by the law.
- tomnipotent 6y agoWomen were given the right to vote in 1920, and they still make on average 20% less than men (and 40% less for Black women).
- dependenttypes 6y agoHow is this relevant to what elliekelly said?
- kgwgk 6y ago> Of course, most of these role were filled by cis people. Acting is about pretending to be someone else but, in any case, aren't most of these characters "cis people"?
- missosoup 6y agoAcceptance of an idea is not at all the same thing as the ability to express an idea. Free speech protects the expression of ideas, no matter how disagreeable or vile some demographics may find them. And LGBT ideology was certainly viewed as vile by the majority of the population for many decades and would have been completely stomped out from discourse if not for free speech protections. Want to see what would have happened to the LGBT community without strong free speech protection? Look no further than Russia. The necessary cost of free speech is allowing speech one disagrees with. People who enjoy the benefits of free speech but fail to understand this core tenet boggle my mind.