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Android is a spyware operating system filled with first party spyware apps developed by Google.

by cwhiz 6y ago

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andrepd 6y ago
As opposed to apple which isn't because... apple says so.
- cwhiz 6y ago
  Align the incentives.
- mrgreenfur 6y ago
  No, because Apple makes money on subscriptions and retail purchases not on aggregating and reselling the data for advertisers.
  - sidibe 6y ago
    Apple also makes money by selling their users to Google to do all that nasty stuff.
    - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
      No, they really don't. Remember the fun we had making fun of Apple Maps? Why in the world would Apple have dropped Google as the back end for their original Maps program, right? Well, it was because back in 2011 or so, Google refused to give Apple access to true turn-by-turn navigation features unless Apple gave them more access to user data. Rather than do that, Apple decided to go it themselves, even though that made the Maps product worse for years. This is consistent with Apple's behavior in other fields. (Hey, Siri!) There are a lot of criticisms to be made of Apple, but "they're selling your data by proxy" just doesn't seem to be one of them.
      - andrepd 6y ago
        They really do. Check the other comment on this thread.
  - mrep 6y ago
    Apple took a 9 Billion dollar payment from Google in 2018 for Google to be the default search engine [0]. [0]: https://dazeinfo.com/2018/10/01/apple-google-fee-iphone-search-engine/#:~:text=Back%20in%202014%2C%20Google%20paid,the%20span%20of%204%20years%3F https://dazeinfo.com/2018/10/01/apple-google-fee-iphone-sear...
    - jquery 6y ago
      This doesn’t refute the parent.
  - parthdesai 6y ago
    China :)
  - bobsil1 6y ago
    iOS 14 also makes app ad tracking opt-in, Google would never.
  - yellow_postit 6y ago
    Whatever happened to the concerns around Apple selling in China and what compromises they may have made for that?
  - cageface 6y ago
    Google doesn't sell data, it sells targeted access to users based on that data. Let's be precise if we're going to discuss the practical privacy implications of both platforms. Meanwhile if you use iCloud backups all your data is one subpoena away from law enforcement.
    - mrgreenfur 6y ago
      Correct. But why does google deserve to know everything about you? What does it matter if they can still browse everything about you and they happen to resell targeting. All still bad. I agree the Warrentless wiretaps are a problem for every American company, google included. My point stands, apples revenue is not from privacy violating advertising and has no motivation for data collection beyond product improvement
- dkonofalski 6y ago
  Use any application that lets you view your network traffic and you'll see that Apple doesn't phone home anything it doesn't need to. Google phones home for everything.
Florin_Andrei 6y ago
Privacy in a classic sense has died the moment when we replaced paper with electronics.
- Koshkin 6y ago
  A picture on a TV screen didn’t use to spy on you...
  - Deflect 6y ago
    That's not exactly true. Assuming you didn't mean TVs completely without any internet connection whatsoever then you'll find that pretty much since that ability was added there have been attempts by the very manufacturers to do just that. Vizio isn't the only one but here's an example: https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/us/vizio-ftc-smart-tv-spying-privacy,news-24415.html https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/us/vizio-ftc-smart-tv-spying-p... How-to disable additional snooping: https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smart-tv-snooping-features/ https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smar... Mind you this goes above what most consumers would consider acceptable and can be blatantly sold to advertisers. This is just what manufacturers have done but then there's just the attempts we know of by the CIA dump: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20206536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20206536
    - whynaut 6y ago
      > That's not exactly true. Assuming you didn't mean TVs completely without any internet connection whatsoever It’s way too early for this to be a reasonable assumption. The fact that they made that comment implies they are aware how widespread the is.
mda 6y ago
This sounds like some crappy grafiti slogan.

Android is a spyware operating system filled with first party spyware apps developed by Google.

by cwhiz 6y ago

Android is a spyware operating system filled with first party spyware apps developed by Google.

deleted 6y ago

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andrepd 6y ago

As opposed to apple which isn't because... apple says so.

cwhiz 6y ago
Align the incentives.
mrgreenfur 6y ago
No, because Apple makes money on subscriptions and retail purchases not on aggregating and reselling the data for advertisers.
- sidibe 6y ago
  Apple also makes money by selling their users to Google to do all that nasty stuff.
  - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
    No, they really don't. Remember the fun we had making fun of Apple Maps? Why in the world would Apple have dropped Google as the back end for their original Maps program, right? Well, it was because back in 2011 or so, Google refused to give Apple access to true turn-by-turn navigation features unless Apple gave them more access to user data. Rather than do that, Apple decided to go it themselves, even though that made the Maps product worse for years. This is consistent with Apple's behavior in other fields. (Hey, Siri!) There are a lot of criticisms to be made of Apple, but "they're selling your data by proxy" just doesn't seem to be one of them.
    - andrepd 6y ago
      They really do. Check the other comment on this thread.
- mrep 6y ago
  Apple took a 9 Billion dollar payment from Google in 2018 for Google to be the default search engine [0]. [0]: https://dazeinfo.com/2018/10/01/apple-google-fee-iphone-search-engine/#:~:text=Back%20in%202014%2C%20Google%20paid,the%20span%20of%204%20years%3F https://dazeinfo.com/2018/10/01/apple-google-fee-iphone-sear...
  - jquery 6y ago
    This doesn’t refute the parent.
- parthdesai 6y ago
  China :)
- bobsil1 6y ago
  iOS 14 also makes app ad tracking opt-in, Google would never.
- yellow_postit 6y ago
  Whatever happened to the concerns around Apple selling in China and what compromises they may have made for that?
- cageface 6y ago
  Google doesn't sell data, it sells targeted access to users based on that data. Let's be precise if we're going to discuss the practical privacy implications of both platforms. Meanwhile if you use iCloud backups all your data is one subpoena away from law enforcement.
  - mrgreenfur 6y ago
    Correct. But why does google deserve to know everything about you? What does it matter if they can still browse everything about you and they happen to resell targeting. All still bad. I agree the Warrentless wiretaps are a problem for every American company, google included. My point stands, apples revenue is not from privacy violating advertising and has no motivation for data collection beyond product improvement
dkonofalski 6y ago
Use any application that lets you view your network traffic and you'll see that Apple doesn't phone home anything it doesn't need to. Google phones home for everything.

Florin_Andrei 6y ago

Privacy in a classic sense has died the moment when we replaced paper with electronics.

Koshkin 6y ago
A picture on a TV screen didn’t use to spy on you...
- Deflect 6y ago
  That's not exactly true. Assuming you didn't mean TVs completely without any internet connection whatsoever then you'll find that pretty much since that ability was added there have been attempts by the very manufacturers to do just that. Vizio isn't the only one but here's an example: https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/us/vizio-ftc-smart-tv-spying-privacy,news-24415.html https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/us/vizio-ftc-smart-tv-spying-p... How-to disable additional snooping: https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smart-tv-snooping-features/ https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smar... Mind you this goes above what most consumers would consider acceptable and can be blatantly sold to advertisers. This is just what manufacturers have done but then there's just the attempts we know of by the CIA dump: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20206536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20206536
  - whynaut 6y ago
    > That's not exactly true. Assuming you didn't mean TVs completely without any internet connection whatsoever It’s way too early for this to be a reasonable assumption. The fact that they made that comment implies they are aware how widespread the is.

mda 6y ago

This sounds like some crappy grafiti slogan.