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The insistence on bullying me into iCloud with notifications is my least favorite iOS feature.
by playingchanges 6y ago
The insistence on bullying me into iCloud with notifications is my least favorite iOS feature.
- enos_feedler 6y agoCurious, why not use iCloud?
- PaulHoule 6y agoIn general I've had bad luck with "cloud storage" applications such as Dropbox. A lot of it is that I lived behind a very slow DSL connection, so synchronizing a modest number of files could mean the DSL connection was degraded for all users. I tried to give OneDrive a chance but the close integration with Microsoft Office meant that I frequently could not save the documents I was working on because OneDrive didn't want to save. The nagging to install OneDrive killed it for me because it caused lost work. Microsoft did the same with OneNote. OneNote was a great notetaking application, but Microsoft managed to put two buttons on the taskbar, three on the desktop, commandeer the Print Dialogs and use every other trick in the book to trick people into using it. Then it a fit of mindlessness they removed the ability to have a local (non-cloud) Notebook and I was gone.
- ethbro 6y agoMicrosoft's cloud storage integration suffers from configuritis for me (poster child: SharePoint). I'm sure there's a perfect way to use it for all my use cases. But doing so would require I learn / study the correct OneDrive-specific settings. Which would only be useful for OneDrive. But by far worse, the defaults on most Microsoft products don't follow first, do no harm. Consequently, unless I learn the settings and monkey with them, adopting the product will negatively impact me.
- Sylamore 6y agoI already have a cloud sync service through OneDrive that is substantially cheaper for my whole family for starters. That Apple won't allow a 3rd party to act functionally equivalent to iCloud is annoying and seems like mostly an intentional business decision to sell more iCloud than provide a good user experience. I don't need 2 different cloud storage providers, let me use the one I already have.
- enos_feedler 6y agoYou can backup and sync all the same Apple things that iCloud can do using OneDrive?
- Sylamore 6y agoNo, Apple does not allow the same level of integration with OneDrive. You can't backup to the cloud, you can't automatically prune old photos/videos that are backed up in the cloud, you have to manually open OneDrive to have it "automatically" upload your photos/videos even though camera upload is enabled in OneDrive. Android doesn't have most of these restrictions so OneDrive works more like iCloud there. Despite that, I'm not paying an extra $10/mo on top of the $99/yr I pay for Office 365 because the limitations are artificial. I can launch OneDrive to sync photos/videos just fine, all my contacts are already in the cloud and I can make manual backups of my phone directly to my PC but frankly all the content I care about is not on the phone so I only do that before any major upgrades.
- dahfizz 6y agoI've said many times that Apple deserves a serious competition lawsuit like Google has been dealing with. If preloading Chrome on Android is anti-competitive, the way Apple uses its market power to give preferential treatment to its own services vs spotify, onedrive, etc is definitely anticompetetive.
- ezconnect 6y agoI also use OneDrive and sometimes when it updates you need to restart iPhone to make the Camera upload to work again.
- 1over137 6y agoWhy use iCloud? Why use or not use any feature? Who cares. If one chooses not to use it, why nag him incessantly?
- enos_feedler 6y agoI'm not saying what Apple is doing is right, I am just asking a side question of why not use it. I just want to know _why_ something is an easy choice for me and not for someone else. Not judging Apple or the user. Just curious.
- dottedmag 6y ago- No Linux support - No Windows support - No Android support - Synchronization is not reliable - Very pricey, and free tier is too small - "We're going to take all your documents hostage in our cloud, because you've got only 100GB space left" (after taking the space by APFS snapshots). It might be fine for some casual users, but not for any device than stores anything serious.
- scarface74 6y agoiCloud does support Windows.
- cmroanirgo 6y agoI use my own nextcloud. My data is my data.
- ironmagma 6y agoApple ID login screen doesn’t allow use of a password manager for starters. But also, why care? I already paid for an iPhone, there is the option of making me regret my purchase or letting me be.
- andrewnicolalde 6y agoThere’s also the third option of hopefully getting you to pay them even more.
- ironmagma 6y agoWhy take a risk whose fallout is unmeasurable?
- IncRnd 6y agoI use my own cloud, based upon Nextcloud. To use that cloud, I don't need to pay anyone, and a giant company doesn't peruse my files at a whim.
- _jal 6y agoSeveral reasons, but it mainly boils down to control and history. I run my own services for email, web publishing, calendar, identity, remote storage, etc. So Icloud already would have to be better-enough than mine to make me want to change. When they do accomplish that, it is mainly by making it difficult or impossible to use mine. I have a lot of history built up in my services that I'd have to agree to trash or somehow move. That history is important to me - I have a quarter-century of personal mail, and about 15 years of photography, as just a couple examples. Considering the average lifespan of Apple's various attempts at services over the years, this one is super easy - my "cloud" has already outlived nearly all of their offerings. Apple was hawking eWorld when I started running my mail server. More generally, I trust myself more than I trust Apple to get this right. I understand why you trust Apple more than me, but that's an entirely different proposition. This isn't hubris, it's categorization - we operate at wildly different scales for wildly different-sized customer bases pursuing very different goals. Finally, integration. Apple is going in the direction of integrated-everything. I'm pulling in the other direction - at this point most of my computing infra is not Apple, and I've already decided I'm not getting another Mac as my everyday laptop. I'll decide what that means about the phone next time I need to replace it, but it probably means we're headed for a divorce. Luckily, I've never put my data in a position to make that a harder choice than it should be. So there you go.
- jtbayly 6y agoEvery time I start up the Music app to listen to something, my phone tries to convince me to pay them for a subscription that I don't want. I'd really rather move to Apple than stay with Spotify, but I refuse to reward this bad behavior.
- wincy 6y agoI believe there’s a way to turn off Apple Music integration in your settings so you just get the old music app.
- ethbro 6y agoDon't get me started on settings only being available if I install an app. That's Facebook levels of UX.
- tinus_hn 6y agoYou’re angry about having to install the Music app to change settings in the Music app?
- jtbayly 6y agoThank you. TIL something wonderful.
- wilde 6y agoThank you! It’s still shitty for Apple to do this, but at least I can stop the nagging now.