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Both parties push that. This case happened during clinton for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ber

Both parties push that. This case happened during clinton for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States This is the real problem with america. Not that one party is evil but that both parties are, there is no choice.

season2episode3 6y ago
While both parties are certainly beholden to big donors, I think the equivalency argument ends there. When it comes to issues of money in politics (e.g. campaign finance), issues of government transparency (e.g. financial disclosures), or environmental protection, the differences are night and day. You do have a point about civil liberties though. Both parties have become pretty extreme (on opposite sides of the ideological spectrum) about where to draw the line between acceptable/unacceptable discourse. I fear that the Dems have become too toothless to take on big tech companies due to the vast sums they receive from said companies. Nevertheless, anti-cryptography legislation still seems to be the GOP's play these days. The Dems of the 1990s are hardly equivalent to the Dems of 2020, especially with an ascendant activist wing running more and more of the show.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  Democrats increased the spying powers and war budget of a President they genuinely believed to be a Russian puppet.
  - nickff 6y ago
    Well, there is also the possibility was that they were exaggerating the degree to which they actually believed he was a puppet.
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      Democrats impeached a President over something they didn't really believe was true.
      - nickff 6y ago
        Well, your idea was that they were acting erratically and irrationally, my proposition is that they may just be putting on a show. Neither alternative is particularly flattering.
      - triceratops 6y ago
        They didn't impeach him over "suspicion of being a Russian puppet". They impeached him because he attempted to abuse his power to coerce a foreign government to investigate his political rivals. Note, even the withholding of the funds was illegal because Congress had approved it. This is without the shakedown tactics that he employed on top of it. Let's not rewrite history so quickly.
        Consultant32452 6y ago
        Democrats paid foreign spies to generate fake evidence, then used that fake evidence to start an investigation into political rivals during an election year which included but was not limited to wiretapping top level campaign officials. The Ukraine investigation was in direct response to the Russia investigation, they are tightly coupled. They clearly do not have a legitimate problem with his behavior, since they had done the same thing themselves. Additionally, it's not clear they believed the claims in the articles of impeachment any more than the claims made during the Russia investigation. This is not an endorsement of Trump or anything he has ever done.

season2episode3 6y ago

While both parties are certainly beholden to big donors, I think the equivalency argument ends there. When it comes to issues of money in politics (e.g. campaign finance), issues of government transparency (e.g. financial disclosures), or environmental protection, the differences are night and day. You do have a point about civil liberties though. Both parties have become pretty extreme (on opposite sides of the ideological spectrum) about where to draw the line between acceptable/unacceptable discourse. I fear that the Dems have become too toothless to take on big tech companies due to the vast sums they receive from said companies. Nevertheless, anti-cryptography legislation still seems to be the GOP's play these days. The Dems of the 1990s are hardly equivalent to the Dems of 2020, especially with an ascendant activist wing running more and more of the show.

Consultant32452 6y ago
Democrats increased the spying powers and war budget of a President they genuinely believed to be a Russian puppet.
- nickff 6y ago
  Well, there is also the possibility was that they were exaggerating the degree to which they actually believed he was a puppet.
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    Democrats impeached a President over something they didn't really believe was true.
    - nickff 6y ago
      Well, your idea was that they were acting erratically and irrationally, my proposition is that they may just be putting on a show. Neither alternative is particularly flattering.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      They didn't impeach him over "suspicion of being a Russian puppet". They impeached him because he attempted to abuse his power to coerce a foreign government to investigate his political rivals. Note, even the withholding of the funds was illegal because Congress had approved it. This is without the shakedown tactics that he employed on top of it. Let's not rewrite history so quickly.
      - Consultant32452 6y ago
        Democrats paid foreign spies to generate fake evidence, then used that fake evidence to start an investigation into political rivals during an election year which included but was not limited to wiretapping top level campaign officials. The Ukraine investigation was in direct response to the Russia investigation, they are tightly coupled. They clearly do not have a legitimate problem with his behavior, since they had done the same thing themselves. Additionally, it's not clear they believed the claims in the articles of impeachment any more than the claims made during the Russia investigation. This is not an endorsement of Trump or anything he has ever done.