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Intel quietly launches 15TB Ruler SSDs

19 points by lawrenceyan 6y ago

nick_kline 6y ago
3gb/sec read and write speed, about $4,700 for 15tb for these datacenter class hardware. So in about 3 or 4 years this will be less than a $1000, probably getting smaller, closer to a consumer product. There's an old sf book about recording your whole life, we aren't quite there. At say 15 meg per sec (from a random site about 1080 dashcam video [1]), 86400 secs * 15 meg / 1024 / 1024 = 1.24 tb per day. Assume another 50% improvement by h265 and you still have about 600 gig a day per lifetime recording. [2] [1] https://dashboardcamerareviews.com/video-recording-time/ https://dashboardcamerareviews.com/video-recording-time/ [2] This was more fun to speculate about than thinking about spreading covid-19 with no real plan for addressing it.
- ponker 6y ago
  Life-recording video is much more compressible than Dashcam.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  No reason to record oneself sleeping, in the bathroom, or reading a book 99% of the time. Slap some ai or sound/vibration/motion/location logic into the camera and I'll bet there's maybe 8-12 hours a day on average remotely worth recording. Assuming: 78.5yr lifespan 3200mbps/400MBPS@60fps 4k video (Sony fsm72) for 8 hrs of video a day yields: 5.50128 petabytes over 78.5yrs. Or 687.66 8TB drives. At $155/drive that's $106,587.3, or 1,357.8/yr at today's prices. Assuming a 1.666r% price decrease per year, the final years drives will cost approximately $41.8. Taking your 1.24tb as terabits, div 3 and applying the same pattern as above I get 1480.379166TB, 185.05 drives, rounded up, for a cost of 28,830 in today's dollars. Hope my maths right..
- rasz 6y ago
  Intel datacenter class SSD means it will die without warning and safe fallback mode
- jml7c5 6y ago
  You're confusing megabits with megabytes. The correct number for your example is 162 GB per day. For reference, a 4K Blu-ray runs about 100 Mbit/s, and requires 1.08 TB for 24 hours of content. (395 TB for a year.) Netflix streams 1080p content at around 6 Mbit/s, and requires 64 GB for 24 hours of content. (24 TB for a year.) Note that both of those examples are 24 or 30 fps. If you turn off the camera when you sleep, multiply by 2/3. If you use hard drives and don't mind 6Mbit/s encoding, it's pretty cheap. Hard drives currently cost about $20/TB, so a year of 24/7 video would be about $500. Multiply by two for redundancy, and you get $1000. If you cut video of yourself sleeping and you massively compress "boring" sections of your life, then it seems plausible one could do it for $200 per year (or less, depending how boring your life is, or how much you care about preserving minutiae :-) ).
ksec 6y ago
You can fit 32 of these in an 1U Unit. [1], That is nearly half a petabyte of Storage in 1U. Or 20PB per full size rack. Or you would need 50 Rack per Blackblaze. ( Excluding Redundancy of course ) They are still built on 64-Layer TLC 3D NAND, and Samsung / Sk Hynix / Toshiba has been been sampling 128-Layer TLC 3D NAND since last year. That is a potential of Petabyte of Storage per Unit, and 40PB per Rack. Personally I just want lower cost per GB even if it is at the expense of speed ( I would be limited by my 1Gbps Ethernet anyway ). I want to replace my 4TB NAS with NAND but it is still quite expensive. Cheapest 1TB SSD from decent manufacturers cost $100 / TB from Western Digital . And I would need 8 of those including redundancy. That is $800 excluding the cost of new NAS. [1] https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/nvme https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/nvme

19 points by lawrenceyan 6y ago

3gb/sec read and write speed, about $4,700 for 15tb for these datacenter class hardware. So in about 3 or 4 years this will be less than a $1000, probably getting smaller, closer to a consumer product. There's an old sf book about recording your whole life, we aren't quite there. At say 15 meg per sec (from a random site about 1080 dashcam video [1]), 86400 secs * 15 meg / 1024 / 1024 = 1.24 tb per day. Assume another 50% improvement by h265 and you still have about 600 gig a day per lifetime recording. [2] [1] https://dashboardcamerareviews.com/video-recording-time/ https://dashboardcamerareviews.com/video-recording-time/ [2] This was more fun to speculate about than thinking about spreading covid-19 with no real plan for addressing it.

ponker 6y ago
Life-recording video is much more compressible than Dashcam.
Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
No reason to record oneself sleeping, in the bathroom, or reading a book 99% of the time. Slap some ai or sound/vibration/motion/location logic into the camera and I'll bet there's maybe 8-12 hours a day on average remotely worth recording. Assuming: 78.5yr lifespan 3200mbps/400MBPS@60fps 4k video (Sony fsm72) for 8 hrs of video a day yields: 5.50128 petabytes over 78.5yrs. Or 687.66 8TB drives. At $155/drive that's $106,587.3, or 1,357.8/yr at today's prices. Assuming a 1.666r% price decrease per year, the final years drives will cost approximately $41.8. Taking your 1.24tb as terabits, div 3 and applying the same pattern as above I get 1480.379166TB, 185.05 drives, rounded up, for a cost of 28,830 in today's dollars. Hope my maths right..
rasz 6y ago
Intel datacenter class SSD means it will die without warning and safe fallback mode
jml7c5 6y ago
You're confusing megabits with megabytes. The correct number for your example is 162 GB per day. For reference, a 4K Blu-ray runs about 100 Mbit/s, and requires 1.08 TB for 24 hours of content. (395 TB for a year.) Netflix streams 1080p content at around 6 Mbit/s, and requires 64 GB for 24 hours of content. (24 TB for a year.) Note that both of those examples are 24 or 30 fps. If you turn off the camera when you sleep, multiply by 2/3. If you use hard drives and don't mind 6Mbit/s encoding, it's pretty cheap. Hard drives currently cost about $20/TB, so a year of 24/7 video would be about $500. Multiply by two for redundancy, and you get $1000. If you cut video of yourself sleeping and you massively compress "boring" sections of your life, then it seems plausible one could do it for $200 per year (or less, depending how boring your life is, or how much you care about preserving minutiae :-) ).

ksec 6y ago

You can fit 32 of these in an 1U Unit. [1], That is nearly half a petabyte of Storage in 1U. Or 20PB per full size rack. Or you would need 50 Rack per Blackblaze. ( Excluding Redundancy of course ) They are still built on 64-Layer TLC 3D NAND, and Samsung / Sk Hynix / Toshiba has been been sampling 128-Layer TLC 3D NAND since last year. That is a potential of Petabyte of Storage per Unit, and 40PB per Rack. Personally I just want lower cost per GB even if it is at the expense of speed ( I would be limited by my 1Gbps Ethernet anyway ). I want to replace my 4TB NAS with NAND but it is still quite expensive. Cheapest 1TB SSD from decent manufacturers cost $100 / TB from Western Digital . And I would need 8 of those including redundancy. That is $800 excluding the cost of new NAS. [1] https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/nvme https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/nvme