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Yeah, but I can install one of the many unofficial Android builds over and old Android phone. My mom still uses my old Galaxy S2, which probably costed 50 euro

Yeah, but I can install one of the many unofficial Android builds over and old Android phone. My mom still uses my old Galaxy S2, which probably costed 50 euros/year over almost 10 years and supports Android 10 thanks to LineageOS. An iPhone's faith is to become a doorstop no matter what.

akmarinov 6y ago
You can jailbreak it and mess with it however you want. Unofficially of course.
- chinesempire 6y ago
  What's the point if you can't update the OS and if you do you have to jailbreak it again, every time, until you reach a point where you device is not supported or there's no jailbreak available and you are back to the doorstop? Unofficial Android builds are fully supported, maintained and updatable builds, they simply are not released by the phone vendor or Google.
  - akmarinov 6y ago
    If you can’t update it, the jailbreak is permanent, it’s again by the people as you describe.
    - chinesempire 6y ago
      > If you can’t update it That's the original point you can' update your phone, because it's not yours If you're happy, good for you, but it's not ok.
JohnTHaller 6y ago
Most Android phones don't have a 'supported' version of LineageOS. It's very hit or miss, usually miss. Hence why my Nexus 6 and my girlfriend's Pixel have supported versions but none of the other Nexus or Pixel phones do. Or the HTC One m8 has a supported build but no other HTC phones do.
- chinesempire 6y ago
  Google phones are only popular in the US, but Android users are mostly outside of the US. In Europe the most popular smartphone brand is Samsung. Lineage supports basically all of their models. Also: Nexus support is not bad Nexus 6 and 6p are supported https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#google https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#google They even support all my Xiaomi devices, including a very old Mi pad second edition. It's probably the OS that actively supports more devices in existence right now. iOS doesn't even support all the iPhones.
  - JohnTHaller 6y ago
    "Warning: The Google Nexus 6P is no longer maintained. A build guide is available for developers that would like to make private builds, or even restart official support." The devices link you included links to legacy builds/devices that are discontinued. The only Google phones currently supported on LineageOS are the Nexus 6 and Pixel 1/1XL. As another data point, the Samsung Galaxy S6 and S7 have no active support either while the S4 and S5 do. This is where you should look: https://download.lineageos.org/ https://download.lineageos.org/ Apple's upcoming iOS version -- not just current, but the one that's not even released yet -- supports all iPhones released in the last 5 years. There's just no comparison.
    - chinesempire 6y ago
      > There's just no comparison Exactly. One supports just a few devices, the other supports hundreds. One is free, the other is not. Guess which is which. if Nexus 6P is not supported is Google's fault Nexus 6P was a bad phone, with sever problems, it was discontinued after a year and you could obtain a compensation if you had one that was faulty. Still the community tried to support it They decided wasn't worth anymore The community is people, Apple is not people.

akmarinov 6y ago

You can jailbreak it and mess with it however you want. Unofficially of course.

chinesempire 6y ago
What's the point if you can't update the OS and if you do you have to jailbreak it again, every time, until you reach a point where you device is not supported or there's no jailbreak available and you are back to the doorstop? Unofficial Android builds are fully supported, maintained and updatable builds, they simply are not released by the phone vendor or Google.
- akmarinov 6y ago
  If you can’t update it, the jailbreak is permanent, it’s again by the people as you describe.
  - chinesempire 6y ago
    > If you can’t update it That's the original point you can' update your phone, because it's not yours If you're happy, good for you, but it's not ok.

JohnTHaller 6y ago

Most Android phones don't have a 'supported' version of LineageOS. It's very hit or miss, usually miss. Hence why my Nexus 6 and my girlfriend's Pixel have supported versions but none of the other Nexus or Pixel phones do. Or the HTC One m8 has a supported build but no other HTC phones do.

chinesempire 6y ago
Google phones are only popular in the US, but Android users are mostly outside of the US. In Europe the most popular smartphone brand is Samsung. Lineage supports basically all of their models. Also: Nexus support is not bad Nexus 6 and 6p are supported https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#google https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#google They even support all my Xiaomi devices, including a very old Mi pad second edition. It's probably the OS that actively supports more devices in existence right now. iOS doesn't even support all the iPhones.
- JohnTHaller 6y ago
  "Warning: The Google Nexus 6P is no longer maintained. A build guide is available for developers that would like to make private builds, or even restart official support." The devices link you included links to legacy builds/devices that are discontinued. The only Google phones currently supported on LineageOS are the Nexus 6 and Pixel 1/1XL. As another data point, the Samsung Galaxy S6 and S7 have no active support either while the S4 and S5 do. This is where you should look: https://download.lineageos.org/ https://download.lineageos.org/ Apple's upcoming iOS version -- not just current, but the one that's not even released yet -- supports all iPhones released in the last 5 years. There's just no comparison.
  - chinesempire 6y ago
    > There's just no comparison Exactly. One supports just a few devices, the other supports hundreds. One is free, the other is not. Guess which is which. if Nexus 6P is not supported is Google's fault Nexus 6P was a bad phone, with sever problems, it was discontinued after a year and you could obtain a compensation if you had one that was faulty. Still the community tried to support it They decided wasn't worth anymore The community is people, Apple is not people.