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I get what you are trying to accomplish, but this really isn't the problem your opponents have with the H1B program. From the H1B website[1] The intent of the
by protomyth 6y ago
I get what you are trying to accomplish, but this really isn't the problem your opponents have with the H1B program.
From the H1B website[1]
The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States.
Now let's look at the top 10 companies that sponsor H1B visas:
Deloitte & Touche 16,409
Tata Consultancy Services 14,604
Cognizant Technology Solutions 13,074
infosys 11,591
IBM 8,344
Ernst & Young 6,893
Capgemini 6,739
Google 6,656
Tech Mahindra (Americas) 6,464
Accenture 6,381
Here is the problem. Only two of the companies on this list aren't body shops, and IBM might actually be a body shop depending on which division is bring in the H1B.
Immigrants are a good thing, but the continued deceptive practices used by these companies to not hire people from the US is a problem. This is what your opponents are going to focus on and push forward. Disney bringing in H1B holders to replace workers, and the courts siding with Disney did not help the immigration story in the US.
It doesn't matter what good former H1B holders did if your kid / spouse / you got fired and replaced by cheaper H1B labor that you had to train to do your job. If you don't solve that problem then they will ignore any "how good it is" arguments.
1) https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/immigration/h1b https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/immigration/h1b
- phenkdo 6y agoI too get what you are trying to accomplish. But the vast majority of anti-h1b crowd doesn't have anything even close to the reasoned arguments and critique you offered. The knee-jerk reaction is largely: h1b = cheap labor = takes away "my job" => I need to bay for Indian blood. Just watch Lou Dobbs or his ilk... Like with many things today, nuance is all but non-existent in this argument.
- protomyth 6y agoNuance does go out the window when you or yours lose the means to support a family. You assessment that those people don't have a reasoned argument is not correct. They are very emotional, but they are not wrong in their argument no matter how many people make fun of them. I stated the "knee jerk" reaction. It is H1B is being used in a manner contrary to the law, this results in lower wage workers replacing domestic workers via contracts with "body shops". Often the worker is forced to train his/her replacement by holding severance over their heads. Also, India is actually too expensive for some of these companies. They are recruiting from other countries with lower standards of living. I know of at least one Ag company that replaced workers with those from the Philippines because India was too expensive.' Their isn't a lot of room for nuance when these companies are breaking the law but getting away with it.
- phenkdo 6y ago"Nuance does go out the window when you or yours lose the means to support a family. " Maybe they shouldn't have been in this profession at all and find a different line work. Jobs are not guarantees, you are not owed anything. If their job got h1b-ed then it doesn't need to exist. It's the typical dare-i-say, [mostly white american male] entitlement, that anytime they didn't get what they wished for, and <ka-boom>, the world's ending, h1b is worse than corona + isis combined! Welcome back to ground level folks. "breaking the law" imho, that probably too strong a phrase. Sure - we can argue about what that proportion is - but i think h1b recruits are - like most things in life, normally distributed talent/salary wise. The bottom 2-3 sd should never have been issued visas. True that, but with that comes the better 1-2 sigma that starts businesses, does research in Univs and businesses. Now IBM et al might not be doing what you like, but to accuse them of completely illegal behavior is a stretch & half. There are never any solutions, only trade-offs!
- protomyth 6y agoNope, if they are using H1B to replace workers in the same job they are breaking the law. If you are writing your job description in such a way to exclude American workers and make it specific to the H1B person you are sponsoring, then you breaking the law. Read the actual enabling legislation. "Maybe they shouldn't have been in this profession at all and find a different line work." Yeah, don't take up a profession if someone if using a government program improperly to replace you. Victim blaming isn't a good look for advocates of the H1B program.