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If you can put as much weight on Linux as possible, that will help it happen. We've made massive strides in the last 2 years, but we need everyone who is Win7

by Zhyl 6y ago

If you can put as much weight on Linux as possible, that will help it happen. We've made massive strides in the last 2 years, but we need everyone who is Win7 Main to at least run Linux for some games to get used to the differences and to get the numbers up. This will help bolster the efforts of all those who are switching from 'some usage -> dual booting', 'dual booting -> Linux main' and 'Linux main -> leading edge'. If all take one step forwards then overall the scales start to tip!

speeder 6y ago
At home currently I run my machine by default on Win7 and my wife machine by default on Ubuntu (I prefer Fedora but... it is her machine, not mine). Often we play games with each other and whatnot. But it is still obvious Linux is behind in some senses. 1. Some interfaces are just awful, Ubuntu default one took me ages to figure how to type addresses on the file explorer thingy it has (seemly you have to type Control+G or something). 2. If you use nVidia, you are screwed, nVidia drivers just suck. 3. Often even native linux games do weird unexpected things, like refusing to close, and the kill interface on Linux is generally awfull, it is hard to track why the hell the game just doesn't close, my wife reboots her computer much more often than me because of something going wrong with a game and make the system go into a weird state of some kind. 4. Installing wine and whatnot is a pain, for example when I tried to install Magic Arena I ended somehow, with many, many copies of wine on the system, and NONE worked. There are multiple game launchers and wine wrappers too, all of them trying to fix this issue, and none of them succeed completely.
- mixedCase 6y ago
  >1. Some interfaces are just awful, Ubuntu default one took me ages to figure how to type addresses on the file explorer thingy it has (seemly you have to type Control+G or something). That's GNOME. Which regular Ubuntu ships by default. If you like Win 7, use Plasma (formerly known as KDE). >2. If you use nVidia, you are screwed, nVidia drivers just suck. That's just Ubuntu again. On Arch or Manjaro you just install the "nvidia" package, reboot and you're done. >3. Often even native linux games do weird unexpected things, like refusing to close You should have a task manager to list your processes and kill them. But it's true that the failure handling mode for some games that do weird shit isn't as nice as on Windows. I recommend htop, because when the graphical system hangs, you can switch to another tty (Ctrl+Alt+an F key like F2) and use htop. >4. Installing wine and whatnot is a pain Don't. Use Lutris which handles installations of many games automatically for you, or if it doesn't have an install script (MtG: Arena does: https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/ https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/), helps you anyway in managing Wine for you.
  - Zhyl 6y ago
    In response to his specific points - this. In response to his response as a response to my response, I'd add that if he wants to see progress on these issues, Linux isn't ever going to burst into the room, take him by the hand and whisk him away. At some point he's going to need to take the leap and start using Linux in anger in order to escape W7 or W10. His wife running Ubuntu is encouraging though. I'm much happier if someone has at least tried Linux rather than just assuming it's terrible. But as I say, everyone needs to take a step forward of we want to move the front line.
- BadInformatics 6y ago
  As a counterpoint, Windows explorer still doesn't support tabs. I would also give the newest version of Ubuntu a try--NVIDIA driver support is much improved, and IMO the installation/upgrade workflow is nicer than Win 10 now (built-in driver management vs the trainwreck that is GeForce Experience). RE 4., have you tried using something like Lutris (https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/ https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/) or Proton (via Steam)? These two have essentially obsoleted all of the crazy wine wrappers and whatnot - many games are now plug-and-play :)
rolph 6y ago
i leave distros all over the place, on thumbdrive on nas on disk, any free media usually has linux distro or image on it to be used or bit bucketed by the end user, thier choice.
FridgeSeal 6y ago
First step is to get people thinking using WSL is a good enough reason to not give full desktop Linux a go. I've a number of friends who are like "but now I don't need to use Linux because I have WSL", which in concert with some of the improvements MS has made to it make it seem increasingly like a honey-coated embrace-extend-extinguish move.

by Zhyl 6y ago

speeder 6y ago

At home currently I run my machine by default on Win7 and my wife machine by default on Ubuntu (I prefer Fedora but... it is her machine, not mine). Often we play games with each other and whatnot. But it is still obvious Linux is behind in some senses. 1. Some interfaces are just awful, Ubuntu default one took me ages to figure how to type addresses on the file explorer thingy it has (seemly you have to type Control+G or something). 2. If you use nVidia, you are screwed, nVidia drivers just suck. 3. Often even native linux games do weird unexpected things, like refusing to close, and the kill interface on Linux is generally awfull, it is hard to track why the hell the game just doesn't close, my wife reboots her computer much more often than me because of something going wrong with a game and make the system go into a weird state of some kind. 4. Installing wine and whatnot is a pain, for example when I tried to install Magic Arena I ended somehow, with many, many copies of wine on the system, and NONE worked. There are multiple game launchers and wine wrappers too, all of them trying to fix this issue, and none of them succeed completely.

mixedCase 6y ago
>1. Some interfaces are just awful, Ubuntu default one took me ages to figure how to type addresses on the file explorer thingy it has (seemly you have to type Control+G or something). That's GNOME. Which regular Ubuntu ships by default. If you like Win 7, use Plasma (formerly known as KDE). >2. If you use nVidia, you are screwed, nVidia drivers just suck. That's just Ubuntu again. On Arch or Manjaro you just install the "nvidia" package, reboot and you're done. >3. Often even native linux games do weird unexpected things, like refusing to close You should have a task manager to list your processes and kill them. But it's true that the failure handling mode for some games that do weird shit isn't as nice as on Windows. I recommend htop, because when the graphical system hangs, you can switch to another tty (Ctrl+Alt+an F key like F2) and use htop. >4. Installing wine and whatnot is a pain Don't. Use Lutris which handles installations of many games automatically for you, or if it doesn't have an install script (MtG: Arena does: https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/ https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/), helps you anyway in managing Wine for you.
- Zhyl 6y ago
  In response to his specific points - this. In response to his response as a response to my response, I'd add that if he wants to see progress on these issues, Linux isn't ever going to burst into the room, take him by the hand and whisk him away. At some point he's going to need to take the leap and start using Linux in anger in order to escape W7 or W10. His wife running Ubuntu is encouraging though. I'm much happier if someone has at least tried Linux rather than just assuming it's terrible. But as I say, everyone needs to take a step forward of we want to move the front line.
BadInformatics 6y ago
As a counterpoint, Windows explorer still doesn't support tabs. I would also give the newest version of Ubuntu a try--NVIDIA driver support is much improved, and IMO the installation/upgrade workflow is nicer than Win 10 now (built-in driver management vs the trainwreck that is GeForce Experience). RE 4., have you tried using something like Lutris (https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/ https://lutris.net/games/magic-the-gathering-arena/) or Proton (via Steam)? These two have essentially obsoleted all of the crazy wine wrappers and whatnot - many games are now plug-and-play :)

rolph 6y ago

i leave distros all over the place, on thumbdrive on nas on disk, any free media usually has linux distro or image on it to be used or bit bucketed by the end user, thier choice.

FridgeSeal 6y ago

First step is to get people thinking using WSL is a good enough reason to not give full desktop Linux a go. I've a number of friends who are like "but now I don't need to use Linux because I have WSL", which in concert with some of the improvements MS has made to it make it seem increasingly like a honey-coated embrace-extend-extinguish move.