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As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily. It is super scary to see what's happening in the USA at the moment w

As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily. It is super scary to see what's happening in the USA at the moment with leftists' unquestioned total domination.

kombucha111 6y ago
You are being severely misinformed. Nothing even close to that is happening right now. The movement is decidedly not tyrannical and certainly does not have unquestioned total domination. But the ideas behind it are very popular to be honest. People are sick of the current socio-economic arrangement, the abuse of authority and race relations on many levels.
- blueterminal 6y ago
  When people lose their jobs if they make fun or just question certain group's behavior, what would you call it?
  - onion2k 6y ago
    Justice.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Now I’m confused, are you describing the police or BLM?
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
      The fact that you think it matters which one is the problem.
      - ben_w 6y ago
        I am confused because to me it doesn’t seem like OP is describing either. One group has heavy weapons, heavy armour, a de-facto presumption in court of being justified when they use even lethal force, and a powerful lobby group that fights to prevent them losing their jobs. The other group is at risk of losing their limbs, eyesight, liberty, or lives, by having the audacity to complain when the former kills one of their friends or family. Neither of these groups matches OPs description.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        Because those are your descriptions, which not everyone agrees with, especially since you're lumping huge groups of people together. Either way, talking about a group should not get you fired, period.
        ben_w 6y ago
        People disagree that the American police are routinely armed? That’s the first I’ve heard. Does anyone actually disagree that the police have a presumption of justification for lethal force? Because literally every time I’ve seen this conversation, for longer than I’ve been online, the argument from those opposed to the protesters of the moment and in favour of the police response has been that they should have that presumption not if they have that presumption. Does anyone disagree that the protestors face the prospect of injury or loss of life? Despite, to use one of far too many salient examples from this year alone, the video of a pensioner being knocked to the ground by one cop and bleeding from the head as the rest just walked around him without even attempting to offer first aid? As for what ought to be acceptable grounds for firing… how many states are “at-will” or whatever the correct term is? In those places, anything goes.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        You seem to have a distorted view of America. You should probably live here before you pass judgement. Listening to the echo chamber here and the mainstream news that comes out of America is not the full picture.
        ben_w 6y ago
        I’ve had four one month long trips to the USA, three east coast, one west. I’ve walked from San Jose train station to Cupertino, from South Ferry Station to Broadway, seen the earthworks demolishing the mountains around Salt Lake City, and visited houses in Boston and Providence that are utterly alien to what I’m used to as a European. One of the places I visited was UC Davis. The incident there has its own Wikipedia page. In Newark, I got to see things which don’t make it into international media, like an African-American outdoor market with banners pleading the readers to treat the humans with, at a minimum, the same respect as is shown for these people’s cultural contributions to the USA. All of this is because my ex is actually an American citizen. Heck, because of her, I’ve met Jill Stein twice. Now, can you actually provide me with a reason to change my mind?
  - jcadam 6y ago
    Craven appeasement.
alistairSH 6y ago
... leftists' unquestioned total domination. lolwut? Surely you jest? 2.5 of 3 branches of our government are led by regressive, obstructionist conservatives (Trump in the WH, McConnel and the GOP in the Senate, and a 5/4 majority of SCOTUS). Additionally, 26 of 50 state governors are conservatives. And 29 of 50 state legislatures are conservative. There is no "liberal domination" of anything in the US.
cmdshiftf4 6y ago
>As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily. Europe has seen a surge in anti-EU, anti-globalist sentiment since 2015. We've seen Britain leave with the support of a Conservative landslide in the last election. The V4 group emerge with its own agenda. Other countries postulating about whether being in the EU is the right direction for themselves, and more. European leaders should be very careful, and I believe they will be, about letting Marxist sentiment like we're seeing in the US go unchecked there. Now is a great time for Europeans to take a close look at US "society" and "culture" and decide for themselves how much more of it they're willing to tolerate being imported.

kombucha111 6y ago

You are being severely misinformed. Nothing even close to that is happening right now. The movement is decidedly not tyrannical and certainly does not have unquestioned total domination. But the ideas behind it are very popular to be honest. People are sick of the current socio-economic arrangement, the abuse of authority and race relations on many levels.

blueterminal 6y ago
When people lose their jobs if they make fun or just question certain group's behavior, what would you call it?
- onion2k 6y ago
  Justice.
- ben_w 6y ago
  Now I’m confused, are you describing the police or BLM?
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    The fact that you think it matters which one is the problem.
    - ben_w 6y ago
      I am confused because to me it doesn’t seem like OP is describing either. One group has heavy weapons, heavy armour, a de-facto presumption in court of being justified when they use even lethal force, and a powerful lobby group that fights to prevent them losing their jobs. The other group is at risk of losing their limbs, eyesight, liberty, or lives, by having the audacity to complain when the former kills one of their friends or family. Neither of these groups matches OPs description.
      - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        Because those are your descriptions, which not everyone agrees with, especially since you're lumping huge groups of people together. Either way, talking about a group should not get you fired, period.
        ben_w 6y ago
        People disagree that the American police are routinely armed? That’s the first I’ve heard. Does anyone actually disagree that the police have a presumption of justification for lethal force? Because literally every time I’ve seen this conversation, for longer than I’ve been online, the argument from those opposed to the protesters of the moment and in favour of the police response has been that they should have that presumption not if they have that presumption. Does anyone disagree that the protestors face the prospect of injury or loss of life? Despite, to use one of far too many salient examples from this year alone, the video of a pensioner being knocked to the ground by one cop and bleeding from the head as the rest just walked around him without even attempting to offer first aid? As for what ought to be acceptable grounds for firing… how many states are “at-will” or whatever the correct term is? In those places, anything goes.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        You seem to have a distorted view of America. You should probably live here before you pass judgement. Listening to the echo chamber here and the mainstream news that comes out of America is not the full picture.
        ben_w 6y ago
        I’ve had four one month long trips to the USA, three east coast, one west. I’ve walked from San Jose train station to Cupertino, from South Ferry Station to Broadway, seen the earthworks demolishing the mountains around Salt Lake City, and visited houses in Boston and Providence that are utterly alien to what I’m used to as a European. One of the places I visited was UC Davis. The incident there has its own Wikipedia page. In Newark, I got to see things which don’t make it into international media, like an African-American outdoor market with banners pleading the readers to treat the humans with, at a minimum, the same respect as is shown for these people’s cultural contributions to the USA. All of this is because my ex is actually an American citizen. Heck, because of her, I’ve met Jill Stein twice. Now, can you actually provide me with a reason to change my mind?
- jcadam 6y ago
  Craven appeasement.

alistairSH 6y ago

... leftists' unquestioned total domination. lolwut? Surely you jest? 2.5 of 3 branches of our government are led by regressive, obstructionist conservatives (Trump in the WH, McConnel and the GOP in the Senate, and a 5/4 majority of SCOTUS). Additionally, 26 of 50 state governors are conservatives. And 29 of 50 state legislatures are conservative. There is no "liberal domination" of anything in the US.

cmdshiftf4 6y ago

>As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily. Europe has seen a surge in anti-EU, anti-globalist sentiment since 2015. We've seen Britain leave with the support of a Conservative landslide in the last election. The V4 group emerge with its own agenda. Other countries postulating about whether being in the EU is the right direction for themselves, and more. European leaders should be very careful, and I believe they will be, about letting Marxist sentiment like we're seeing in the US go unchecked there. Now is a great time for Europeans to take a close look at US "society" and "culture" and decide for themselves how much more of it they're willing to tolerate being imported.