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> The NY criteria for recording a Covid death has been pretty much anybody who could have potentially been infected at their time of death. This is a common "f

> The NY criteria for recording a Covid death has been pretty much anybody who could have potentially been infected at their time of death. This is a common "fact" asserted in these discussions, and it's never backed up with any evidence.

AmericanChopper 6y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/15/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-revised-count https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/15/new-york-cit... > The soaring death toll has been fueled by the adding of 3,778 people who were not tested for Covid-19 but are presumed to have died from it. Singapore’s organised approach is clearly going to produce much more reliable statistics than NYs presumption based approach.
- chimprich 6y ago
  "Presumed to have died from it" is quite a long way from "anybody who could have potentially been infected". Doctor friends tell me it's usually pretty clear when they have a COVID patient.
  - AmericanChopper 6y ago
    The criteria is whatever a doctor chooses to put on the death certificate, for what ever reason they choose. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-start-reporting-probable-coronavirus-deaths-cdc-n1184821 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-start-reportin... > Asked about the numbers Wednesday, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, commissioner of the city Health Department, said the "unfortunate reality is there have been people who have died either directly because of COVID or indirectly because of COVID." > Barbot said only time would tell what that number really meant. Some deaths, for example, could have been registered as having been caused by heart attacks because people had not yet developed coronavirus symptoms, when they should have been counted as probable COVID-19 victims, she said. So NY officials state that their recorded death toll should reflect both direct and indirect fatalities, whatever an indirect fatality is supposed to mean, and that a person who dies without Covid symptoms, and who has not tested positive, should be counted as a fatality. So unless they have proof Covid wasn’t a contributing factor in any way, it’s counted, which does actually sound a lot like “ anybody who could have potentially been infected”...

AmericanChopper 6y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/15/new-york-city-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-revised-count https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/15/new-york-cit... > The soaring death toll has been fueled by the adding of 3,778 people who were not tested for Covid-19 but are presumed to have died from it. Singapore’s organised approach is clearly going to produce much more reliable statistics than NYs presumption based approach.

chimprich 6y ago
"Presumed to have died from it" is quite a long way from "anybody who could have potentially been infected". Doctor friends tell me it's usually pretty clear when they have a COVID patient.
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  The criteria is whatever a doctor chooses to put on the death certificate, for what ever reason they choose. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-start-reporting-probable-coronavirus-deaths-cdc-n1184821 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-start-reportin... > Asked about the numbers Wednesday, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, commissioner of the city Health Department, said the "unfortunate reality is there have been people who have died either directly because of COVID or indirectly because of COVID." > Barbot said only time would tell what that number really meant. Some deaths, for example, could have been registered as having been caused by heart attacks because people had not yet developed coronavirus symptoms, when they should have been counted as probable COVID-19 victims, she said. So NY officials state that their recorded death toll should reflect both direct and indirect fatalities, whatever an indirect fatality is supposed to mean, and that a person who dies without Covid symptoms, and who has not tested positive, should be counted as a fatality. So unless they have proof Covid wasn’t a contributing factor in any way, it’s counted, which does actually sound a lot like “ anybody who could have potentially been infected”...