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> we have hospitals built specifically for covid that are completely unused. Only the London nightingale went "unused", and that's because government is pursui

by DanBC 6y ago

> we have hospitals built specifically for covid that are completely unused. Only the London nightingale went "unused", and that's because government is pursuing herd immunity by discharging older people to care and nursing homes, not to the Nightingale. It wasn't "completely" unused. And the other Nightingales were pretty full.

qeternity 6y ago
They were only full to keep other hospitals free and less contaminated. The overall additional capacity was hardly used. I’m also saying something different: we should have quarantined to the lowest possible degree that kept the hospitals reasonably utilized. We need infections. We just don’t want to overload NHS. I’m glad we built new capacity. I’m frustrated we didn’t use it...and now a big second wave is likely.
Theodores 6y ago
You really need to cite sources to backup your claim regarding the other Nightingales being pretty full. I am struggling to find sources to prove they were used at all. However, you do have an extremely valid point about what was going on with the care homes. The hospitals were vacated of 'bed blockers' at the same time as the Nightingale facilities were being built, so the old people were sent to their care homes and not to a Nightingale. Exeter Nightingale going to open soon: https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeters-nightingale-hospital-taking-shape-4247507 https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeters-nightingal... So that one has not been pretty full. It has been absolutely empty. Bristol: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-nightingale-hospital-remains-empty-4093580 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-nig... Pretty Full? Nope, just opened, no patients yet. Moving to Wales: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53082404 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53082404 They had 17 field hospitals open up. A health economist from Swansea University said that, in hindsight, spending £166m on 46 patients was "not a good use of limited resources". Although not technically 'Nightingale' you get the idea. Northern Ireland? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52651725 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52651725 The Nightingale in Belfast peaked with 30 patients, before being mothballed. I suspect that every Nightingale has a similar story.
- DanBC 6y ago
  HSJ has an article about use of the nightingales. I'm struggling to find it.

by DanBC 6y ago

qeternity 6y ago

They were only full to keep other hospitals free and less contaminated. The overall additional capacity was hardly used. I’m also saying something different: we should have quarantined to the lowest possible degree that kept the hospitals reasonably utilized. We need infections. We just don’t want to overload NHS. I’m glad we built new capacity. I’m frustrated we didn’t use it...and now a big second wave is likely.

Theodores 6y ago

You really need to cite sources to backup your claim regarding the other Nightingales being pretty full. I am struggling to find sources to prove they were used at all. However, you do have an extremely valid point about what was going on with the care homes. The hospitals were vacated of 'bed blockers' at the same time as the Nightingale facilities were being built, so the old people were sent to their care homes and not to a Nightingale. Exeter Nightingale going to open soon: https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeters-nightingale-hospital-taking-shape-4247507 https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeters-nightingal... So that one has not been pretty full. It has been absolutely empty. Bristol: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-nightingale-hospital-remains-empty-4093580 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-nig... Pretty Full? Nope, just opened, no patients yet. Moving to Wales: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53082404 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53082404 They had 17 field hospitals open up. A health economist from Swansea University said that, in hindsight, spending £166m on 46 patients was "not a good use of limited resources". Although not technically 'Nightingale' you get the idea. Northern Ireland? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52651725 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52651725 The Nightingale in Belfast peaked with 30 patients, before being mothballed. I suspect that every Nightingale has a similar story.

DanBC 6y ago
HSJ has an article about use of the nightingales. I'm struggling to find it.