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No, it's not. It's like someone who thinks removing video cameras on private property does not in any way justify bringing over people with guns to coerce the o

No, it's not. It's like someone who thinks removing video cameras on private property does not in any way justify bringing over people with guns to coerce the owner. It's like the guy knows the people with the cameras are jerks and doesn't go to their house for BBQ.

pmoriarty 6y ago
I'm not even talking about people with cameras in their homes. Take a look at the ubiquity of cameras in London for an example. Cameras are everywhere, and you'll be on hundreds if not thousands of them on a typical day walking around London. They're on street corners, in shops, restaurants, apartment building hallways, schools, playgrounds, tennis courts, parks, and pretty much everywhere else you go to. As an individual, you only option for not being videotaped is to stay home. All your finger wagging about these people being jerks isn't going to change a thing. I also really don't get why you're fixated on guns as being the only solution. You could simply make laws against it, and if they don't comply you could fine people/companies, or take away their business licenses. No guns necessary.
- superkuh 6y ago
  I don't live in London. I live in a region without pervasive surveillance. It sounds terrible and I'm sorry you have to deal with it. This applies both in the literal and figurative sense. Don't live in metaphorical London. You don't have to. It's your choice. You don't need to call in people who threaten to use physical force to get their way. Just take responsibility and move.
  - pmoriarty 6y ago
    London's just an example. Many other cities are the same, and every year more and more cameras are installed in more and more places all over the world. Video surveillance is just one example too, web tracking, tagging people in photos, facial recognition, email surveillance, spyware, workplace surveillance, profiling of various kinds, and much more is getting more and more prevalent as the technology that allows it becomes more sophisticated, cheaper, and widely available. Yes, you could try to move to more and more rural locations, further and further away from other people that might spy on you, disconnect yourself as much as possible from the internet (as Stallman has), and maybe, if no one powerful or knowledgeable enough cares about you, you might sneak under the radar and be free. But what about your kids? What about your family? What about your friends or the rest of society? Most people aren't willing to go to such extremes, even if they have the means, knowledge, and care enough to do so. No. The solution can not be individual. That's failed for decades now. Collective action must be taken. Not violent action, but legal and financial action, and educating more people about why it matters and what they can do apart from trying to run away.

pmoriarty 6y ago

I'm not even talking about people with cameras in their homes. Take a look at the ubiquity of cameras in London for an example. Cameras are everywhere, and you'll be on hundreds if not thousands of them on a typical day walking around London. They're on street corners, in shops, restaurants, apartment building hallways, schools, playgrounds, tennis courts, parks, and pretty much everywhere else you go to. As an individual, you only option for not being videotaped is to stay home. All your finger wagging about these people being jerks isn't going to change a thing. I also really don't get why you're fixated on guns as being the only solution. You could simply make laws against it, and if they don't comply you could fine people/companies, or take away their business licenses. No guns necessary.

superkuh 6y ago
I don't live in London. I live in a region without pervasive surveillance. It sounds terrible and I'm sorry you have to deal with it. This applies both in the literal and figurative sense. Don't live in metaphorical London. You don't have to. It's your choice. You don't need to call in people who threaten to use physical force to get their way. Just take responsibility and move.
- pmoriarty 6y ago
  London's just an example. Many other cities are the same, and every year more and more cameras are installed in more and more places all over the world. Video surveillance is just one example too, web tracking, tagging people in photos, facial recognition, email surveillance, spyware, workplace surveillance, profiling of various kinds, and much more is getting more and more prevalent as the technology that allows it becomes more sophisticated, cheaper, and widely available. Yes, you could try to move to more and more rural locations, further and further away from other people that might spy on you, disconnect yourself as much as possible from the internet (as Stallman has), and maybe, if no one powerful or knowledgeable enough cares about you, you might sneak under the radar and be free. But what about your kids? What about your family? What about your friends or the rest of society? Most people aren't willing to go to such extremes, even if they have the means, knowledge, and care enough to do so. No. The solution can not be individual. That's failed for decades now. Collective action must be taken. Not violent action, but legal and financial action, and educating more people about why it matters and what they can do apart from trying to run away.