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On the one hand, I do think it's silly that Apple is discriminating against this app, but I don't really buy the entire idea that a dislike of astrology is refl

On the one hand, I do think it's silly that Apple is discriminating against this app, but I don't really buy the entire idea that a dislike of astrology is reflective of some sort of deeper bigotry. I'm a gay man of color myself, and I find it trite and annoying when you re discussing some interpersonal issues and someone chimes in with "oh it's because of <X astrological sign incompatibility>". I think it's fine and fun as anything else to make memes about star signs or whatever but some people take it seriously to the point of making sweeping generalizations about people based on what the alignments of planets when they were born.

BubRoss 6y ago
> I'm a gay man of color What is the connection here? What does that have to do with linking relationship dynamics to astrology?
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- will4274 6y ago
  I was thrown by the same thing. Both the article and the parent comment have the same premise - the author presumes that Rachel, as a woman, is more qualified than the average person to judge whether Apple's rejection of an astrology dating app is an act of discrimination. And then parent comment says that "as a gay man of color," he's more qualified than the average person to judge whether Rachel / the author's complaint about discrimination is well founded. It's a subtle form of the argument to authority fallacy.
  - bonestormii_ 6y ago
    I mean, is a woman more qualified to judge whether a situation is an example of misogyny? Perhaps not, as a man could reach the same conclusion. But it's certainly more appropriate than leaving it to a group of men, or an industry that is generally dominated by men. It's relevant, not because the logic is dependent on the fact, but because it is a perspective regarding societal power. The article indicates that hating astrology is characteristic of white cis men. The parent comment says "FWIW, I'm not those things, and I hate astrology." They aren't asserting their authority to make a logical argument. They are offering their perspective as a sample. Respectfully, I think you are letting your intellect get in the way of your ability to think by dismissing these perspectives, misidentifying a report of someone's subjective experience as a logical argument, and therefore a fallacy. Personally, I hate astrology, but I wouldn't have this app flagged as spam and banned from the app store because of it. I think the argument that this is a form of (probably unintentional) racial/gender/sexual discrimination holds water. If nothing else, I find the idea that Apple happily exerts this kind of force on their customer's personal interests super frustrating and distasteful, and bad for business. Money talks, and bullshit walks. If there is no market for it, let it die on its own merit. I don't need Apple's protection from astrology. We don't all have to embrace each other, but we do have to suffer each other. And traditionally, some of us have been suffering a lot more than others. That's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
- rangibaby 6y ago
  TFA states that white men are against astrology because women and POC like it (???)
- Qu3tzal 6y ago
  The article is mainly about how cis white males don't like astrology and thus it is misogyny. So the connection is pretty much perfect as he is giving an example of how you can be annoyed by astrology without being a cis white male. edit: typo
whynotminot 6y ago
In my experience, people mostly use astrology to excuse their poor behavior. "Sorry, Mercury is in retrograde right now and that's why I --" No. You're just kind of a shit person. The sooner you own it and stop blaming the stars, the sooner you can start to improve.
- loceng 6y ago
  Don't you think you perhaps have selection bias? "... people mostly use astrology to excuse their poor behaviour" is quite the generalization, especially since this thread is about using astrology for people to meet other people, not make excuses.
  - whynotminot 6y ago
    > Don't you think you perhaps have selection bias? Well, since I literally said "in my experience," yes. I'm afraid I don't have the energy to do a proper exhaustive study on this topic... Mercury is in retrograde after all.
loceng 6y ago
I agree and think them making this about "white men" is wrong, unreasonable, and perhaps even racist itself. I also agree it's fun, harmless, as it's pattern matching they're doing and a conversation topic for them to try to relate, connect to others. Whether it's fluke that they think they have observed a pattern matching or not, or perhaps if someone resonates with the majority of described traits of any sign, is harmless. Maybe everyone or just some people's biology and development is somehow guided or influenced by the position of the energy and certain traits are more highly selected for because of that, who knows, I don't personally believe we have a certain deep or full understanding of consciousness nor how our brain/body-mind interact, etc - and so I leave room for the potential.
randycupertino 6y ago
^ typical Capricorn comment!
nickthegreek 6y ago
This article has been updated to state that Apple has reversed their decision.

BubRoss 6y ago

> I'm a gay man of color What is the connection here? What does that have to do with linking relationship dynamics to astrology?

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will4274 6y ago
I was thrown by the same thing. Both the article and the parent comment have the same premise - the author presumes that Rachel, as a woman, is more qualified than the average person to judge whether Apple's rejection of an astrology dating app is an act of discrimination. And then parent comment says that "as a gay man of color," he's more qualified than the average person to judge whether Rachel / the author's complaint about discrimination is well founded. It's a subtle form of the argument to authority fallacy.
- bonestormii_ 6y ago
  I mean, is a woman more qualified to judge whether a situation is an example of misogyny? Perhaps not, as a man could reach the same conclusion. But it's certainly more appropriate than leaving it to a group of men, or an industry that is generally dominated by men. It's relevant, not because the logic is dependent on the fact, but because it is a perspective regarding societal power. The article indicates that hating astrology is characteristic of white cis men. The parent comment says "FWIW, I'm not those things, and I hate astrology." They aren't asserting their authority to make a logical argument. They are offering their perspective as a sample. Respectfully, I think you are letting your intellect get in the way of your ability to think by dismissing these perspectives, misidentifying a report of someone's subjective experience as a logical argument, and therefore a fallacy. Personally, I hate astrology, but I wouldn't have this app flagged as spam and banned from the app store because of it. I think the argument that this is a form of (probably unintentional) racial/gender/sexual discrimination holds water. If nothing else, I find the idea that Apple happily exerts this kind of force on their customer's personal interests super frustrating and distasteful, and bad for business. Money talks, and bullshit walks. If there is no market for it, let it die on its own merit. I don't need Apple's protection from astrology. We don't all have to embrace each other, but we do have to suffer each other. And traditionally, some of us have been suffering a lot more than others. That's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
rangibaby 6y ago
TFA states that white men are against astrology because women and POC like it (???)
Qu3tzal 6y ago
The article is mainly about how cis white males don't like astrology and thus it is misogyny. So the connection is pretty much perfect as he is giving an example of how you can be annoyed by astrology without being a cis white male. edit: typo

whynotminot 6y ago

In my experience, people mostly use astrology to excuse their poor behavior. "Sorry, Mercury is in retrograde right now and that's why I --" No. You're just kind of a shit person. The sooner you own it and stop blaming the stars, the sooner you can start to improve.

loceng 6y ago
Don't you think you perhaps have selection bias? "... people mostly use astrology to excuse their poor behaviour" is quite the generalization, especially since this thread is about using astrology for people to meet other people, not make excuses.
- whynotminot 6y ago
  > Don't you think you perhaps have selection bias? Well, since I literally said "in my experience," yes. I'm afraid I don't have the energy to do a proper exhaustive study on this topic... Mercury is in retrograde after all.

loceng 6y ago

I agree and think them making this about "white men" is wrong, unreasonable, and perhaps even racist itself. I also agree it's fun, harmless, as it's pattern matching they're doing and a conversation topic for them to try to relate, connect to others. Whether it's fluke that they think they have observed a pattern matching or not, or perhaps if someone resonates with the majority of described traits of any sign, is harmless. Maybe everyone or just some people's biology and development is somehow guided or influenced by the position of the energy and certain traits are more highly selected for because of that, who knows, I don't personally believe we have a certain deep or full understanding of consciousness nor how our brain/body-mind interact, etc - and so I leave room for the potential.

randycupertino 6y ago

^ typical Capricorn comment!

nickthegreek 6y ago

This article has been updated to state that Apple has reversed their decision.