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The Swedish model is only viable as long as you don't mind killing 4700 extra people. Sweden and Czech Republic has about the same population, there were stric

The Swedish model is only viable as long as you don't mind killing 4700 extra people. Sweden and Czech Republic has about the same population, there were strict lockdown measures in the Czech Republic and not much at all in Sweden. So far 336 people have died in the Czech Republic due to Covid-19, daily cases are ~50. For comaparison Sweden has 5053 dead with daily cases about 500-600. That does not look like something viable & I'm not sure how are they gonna get out of this with some many daily case & how many more people will have to needlessly die.

austhrow743 6y ago
Why are you comparing them to the Czech Republic when the commenter was comparing them to the US and saying the US should model them? They're not saying the Czech Republic should model them.
virmundi 6y ago
The Swedish model was exacerbated for the same reason the NYC was. You can’t put old people with the disease in lock down with other old people. You’ll quickly kill them.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  When people criticize Sweden, they usually quote the top-line number, leaving out that Sweden's admitted failures were in protecting the elderly and outreach to at-risk immigrant communities.
- m4rtink 6y ago
  Of course you can't do that - anyone infected needs to be isolated and people who were in contact with them as well. If you want to protect old people (and everyone of us will get old eventually) is to make sure they won't get infected, simple as that. To achieve that, many care homes here locked down much earlier than the state wide lockdown (and in some cases were already in annual flu related lockdown, same thing for many hospitals). In quite a few cases, the care personnel even volunteered to basically camp out at the site to eliminate any possibility of getting the infection in from their homes. This has been quite effective. The few cases where the infection did get in were pretty brutal, which validates the rather drastic steps taken.
zucker42 6y ago
I think the point of people advocating the Swedish model is that it's not fair to compare Sweden now with the Czech Republic now. If a country implements strict lockdown measures for three months and then no lockdown measures it might well be it has equal or more deaths a year from now. This will only become a fair comparison at the end of the pandemic.
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  Yes, almost everyone will get it regardless. Sweden simply moved its deaths forward. Whether it was the right thing to do is left as an exercise for next year.
  - mnm1 6y ago
    Except we already have an effective treatment, dexamethasone. So all those Swedish deaths could have potentially been pushed to now when the mortality rate is lower due to new treatments like dexamethasone. Instead, they were not pushed so they all died. Had they been pushed, a third likely would have survived. So already we know Sweden's strategy is total shit that lead to avoidable deaths.
    - mixmastamyk 6y ago
      It's a bit early to assert that given the drug was noted to help just days ago.
      - mnm1 6y ago
        A randomized clinical study involving thousands of patients is not good enough to assert this?

austhrow743 6y ago

Why are you comparing them to the Czech Republic when the commenter was comparing them to the US and saying the US should model them? They're not saying the Czech Republic should model them.

virmundi 6y ago

The Swedish model was exacerbated for the same reason the NYC was. You can’t put old people with the disease in lock down with other old people. You’ll quickly kill them.

dehrmann 6y ago
When people criticize Sweden, they usually quote the top-line number, leaving out that Sweden's admitted failures were in protecting the elderly and outreach to at-risk immigrant communities.
m4rtink 6y ago
Of course you can't do that - anyone infected needs to be isolated and people who were in contact with them as well. If you want to protect old people (and everyone of us will get old eventually) is to make sure they won't get infected, simple as that. To achieve that, many care homes here locked down much earlier than the state wide lockdown (and in some cases were already in annual flu related lockdown, same thing for many hospitals). In quite a few cases, the care personnel even volunteered to basically camp out at the site to eliminate any possibility of getting the infection in from their homes. This has been quite effective. The few cases where the infection did get in were pretty brutal, which validates the rather drastic steps taken.

zucker42 6y ago

I think the point of people advocating the Swedish model is that it's not fair to compare Sweden now with the Czech Republic now. If a country implements strict lockdown measures for three months and then no lockdown measures it might well be it has equal or more deaths a year from now. This will only become a fair comparison at the end of the pandemic.

mixmastamyk 6y ago
Yes, almost everyone will get it regardless. Sweden simply moved its deaths forward. Whether it was the right thing to do is left as an exercise for next year.
- mnm1 6y ago
  Except we already have an effective treatment, dexamethasone. So all those Swedish deaths could have potentially been pushed to now when the mortality rate is lower due to new treatments like dexamethasone. Instead, they were not pushed so they all died. Had they been pushed, a third likely would have survived. So already we know Sweden's strategy is total shit that lead to avoidable deaths.
  - mixmastamyk 6y ago
    It's a bit early to assert that given the drug was noted to help just days ago.
    - mnm1 6y ago
      A randomized clinical study involving thousands of patients is not good enough to assert this?