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This is not true. New Zealand has done an exemplary job. Taiwan has done a fine job. Hong Kong? Japan? South Korea? All democracies. All competent. Sweden's se

This is not true. New Zealand has done an exemplary job. Taiwan has done a fine job. Hong Kong? Japan? South Korea? All democracies. All competent. Sweden's seen way more deaths than its neighbors, and being on the same track as the US should be an embarrassment here. Also, no, that will not do it. That will see a huge fraction of the population infected. Adding masks would help a lot, though.

kmlx 6y ago
new zealand's total population is less than nyc. also an island 5h flight from australia. NZ somehow always comes up... HK never locked up as hard as NZ or Spain or Italy even thou it's a city almost double the size of the country NZ with 420 times the density.
salmon30salmon 6y ago
NZ is an island with two big cities, doesn't count. Taiwan is also an island. So is Japan. HK is one technically, I guess. But not really. South Korea is basically an island, since they have a completely closed border with their only land neighbor. Maybe the ability to control people coming in and out is more of a commonality than their responses? That is considering their responses looked _nothing alike_. NZ and Japan are basically as opposite as you can get in regards to a response.
- refurb 6y ago
  Vietnam has 90M people, a massive land border and only 350 cases (no community spread for 6 weeks now). They are testing like crazy, so it’s not because they aren’t catching them. How did they do it? All borders closed. Quarantine at home? Well, we’ll post someone to keep an eye on you. Not following the rules? We have a quarantine camp that will work better. Someone infected on the same floor of your apartment building? Everyone is locked down for 24 hrs (can’t leave your unit). Floor is disinfected and everyone tested. Vietnam just basically went full throttle using every public health measure they could.
  - virmundi 6y ago
    This shows the power of an authoritarian system. Unfortunately we’ve seen other examples of authoritarian systems killing millions more than this disease ever would.
refurb 6y ago
NZ has the benefit of having 1,000 miles of ocean between them and everyone else. Very easy to isolate. I think the OP’s point is that your goal is immunity and Sweden will get there before NZ will (absent a vaccine). Sweden’s economy will be humming while NZ stays isolated. Give it a year and we’ll see who did best
m4x 6y ago
NZ has made a similar mistake to Oregon as described above. We shut down early and hard, practically wiping the disease out with less than 1200 total infections, and totally burning through all the good will required to tolerate a second shut down. Now that we have re-opened, we are seeing new cases appear as Kiwis who were trapped overseas return home, and foreigners visit for "essential" business. It is only a matter of time before we see community spread a second time, and as in Oregon nothing has materially changed since November. We still have no vaccine or immunity, and we can reasonably expect to see a second outbreak before either appears. The only difference is that Kiwis are unwilling to tolerate a second shut down, and Kiwi businesses don't have the funds to weather another financial hit. Neither does the NZ government, realistically. Locking down the country was an understandable response, but it does not appear to have achieved anything valuable unless a vaccine becomes available before the next outbreak.
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kalleboo 6y ago
Japan's response was not competent at all. Basically every news article about how Japan managed to deal with the virus is "dunno, they must have gotten lucky?"

kmlx 6y ago

new zealand's total population is less than nyc. also an island 5h flight from australia. NZ somehow always comes up... HK never locked up as hard as NZ or Spain or Italy even thou it's a city almost double the size of the country NZ with 420 times the density.

salmon30salmon 6y ago

NZ is an island with two big cities, doesn't count. Taiwan is also an island. So is Japan. HK is one technically, I guess. But not really. South Korea is basically an island, since they have a completely closed border with their only land neighbor. Maybe the ability to control people coming in and out is more of a commonality than their responses? That is considering their responses looked _nothing alike_. NZ and Japan are basically as opposite as you can get in regards to a response.

refurb 6y ago
Vietnam has 90M people, a massive land border and only 350 cases (no community spread for 6 weeks now). They are testing like crazy, so it’s not because they aren’t catching them. How did they do it? All borders closed. Quarantine at home? Well, we’ll post someone to keep an eye on you. Not following the rules? We have a quarantine camp that will work better. Someone infected on the same floor of your apartment building? Everyone is locked down for 24 hrs (can’t leave your unit). Floor is disinfected and everyone tested. Vietnam just basically went full throttle using every public health measure they could.
- virmundi 6y ago
  This shows the power of an authoritarian system. Unfortunately we’ve seen other examples of authoritarian systems killing millions more than this disease ever would.

refurb 6y ago

NZ has the benefit of having 1,000 miles of ocean between them and everyone else. Very easy to isolate. I think the OP’s point is that your goal is immunity and Sweden will get there before NZ will (absent a vaccine). Sweden’s economy will be humming while NZ stays isolated. Give it a year and we’ll see who did best

m4x 6y ago

NZ has made a similar mistake to Oregon as described above. We shut down early and hard, practically wiping the disease out with less than 1200 total infections, and totally burning through all the good will required to tolerate a second shut down. Now that we have re-opened, we are seeing new cases appear as Kiwis who were trapped overseas return home, and foreigners visit for "essential" business. It is only a matter of time before we see community spread a second time, and as in Oregon nothing has materially changed since November. We still have no vaccine or immunity, and we can reasonably expect to see a second outbreak before either appears. The only difference is that Kiwis are unwilling to tolerate a second shut down, and Kiwi businesses don't have the funds to weather another financial hit. Neither does the NZ government, realistically. Locking down the country was an understandable response, but it does not appear to have achieved anything valuable unless a vaccine becomes available before the next outbreak.

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kalleboo 6y ago

Japan's response was not competent at all. Basically every news article about how Japan managed to deal with the virus is "dunno, they must have gotten lucky?"