4 ms·

Would you like to live like the Chinese? No. Would you like to have the same death rates as Italy (much higher than US)? No. Is the disease eradicated in eith

Would you like to live like the Chinese? No. Would you like to have the same death rates as Italy (much higher than US)? No. Is the disease eradicated in either country? No. The story of who did better remains to be written. If anything California shut down way too soon. That's the problem that no one seems to talk about.

Judgmentality 6y ago
> If anything California shut down way too soon. That's the problem that no one seems to talk about. What?
cvlasdkv 6y ago
What is the death rate of Italy given demographics? Is it still "much higher than [the] US"?
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  Current deaths per million population: UK: 642 Spain: 576 Italy: 575 France: 441 US: 365 Netherlands 340 EU Average: 208 Germany: 107 I dont have an easy way to adjust for demographics, but the median age of most of the countries listed is 2-3 years greater than the US. Italy is ~ 6.
MarkMarine 6y ago
Countless lives were saved by California shutting down, that’s WHY the death rate isn’t like Italy.
- tenken 6y ago
  Yet ...
addicted 6y ago
Italy was the first western country to be hit with COVID. Italy is also not the richest country with the highest per capita ICU bed availability with a ridiculously expensive healthcare system which while terrible for general welfare was excellently places for an emergency like the pandemic. And if California shut down too early, it was still not a bad decision because you did not know what a good decision was at the time. The fundamental problem in the US has not been shutdowns. It’s been shutdowns which have involved absolutely no planning for the reopenings. That’s the fundamental disaster in the US handling of the situation. The northeast could maybe be forgiven for not doing planning for reopening because they were actually dealing with a crisis during the shutdown. But the rest of the country had no excuse. And unlike the northeast they weren’t the first to be hit, so they had time to see and prepare. Instead, they declared it a Northeast problem as if the virus could tell Jersey Shore residents from South beach residents, and decided to go on with their lives without any planning or preparation anyways.
physicles 6y ago
> Would you like to live like the Chinese? No. Don’t know what you guys are seeing on the media but I’ve been in China since February and the response has been pretty reasonable and very effective, at least from where I’m sitting. Before I came back in early Feb I thought about fleeing to the US, but haven’t entertained the idea since.

Judgmentality 6y ago

> If anything California shut down way too soon. That's the problem that no one seems to talk about. What?

cvlasdkv 6y ago

What is the death rate of Italy given demographics? Is it still "much higher than [the] US"?

s1artibartfast 6y ago
Current deaths per million population: UK: 642 Spain: 576 Italy: 575 France: 441 US: 365 Netherlands 340 EU Average: 208 Germany: 107 I dont have an easy way to adjust for demographics, but the median age of most of the countries listed is 2-3 years greater than the US. Italy is ~ 6.

MarkMarine 6y ago

Countless lives were saved by California shutting down, that’s WHY the death rate isn’t like Italy.

tenken 6y ago
Yet ...

addicted 6y ago

Italy was the first western country to be hit with COVID. Italy is also not the richest country with the highest per capita ICU bed availability with a ridiculously expensive healthcare system which while terrible for general welfare was excellently places for an emergency like the pandemic. And if California shut down too early, it was still not a bad decision because you did not know what a good decision was at the time. The fundamental problem in the US has not been shutdowns. It’s been shutdowns which have involved absolutely no planning for the reopenings. That’s the fundamental disaster in the US handling of the situation. The northeast could maybe be forgiven for not doing planning for reopening because they were actually dealing with a crisis during the shutdown. But the rest of the country had no excuse. And unlike the northeast they weren’t the first to be hit, so they had time to see and prepare. Instead, they declared it a Northeast problem as if the virus could tell Jersey Shore residents from South beach residents, and decided to go on with their lives without any planning or preparation anyways.

physicles 6y ago

> Would you like to live like the Chinese? No. Don’t know what you guys are seeing on the media but I’ve been in China since February and the response has been pretty reasonable and very effective, at least from where I’m sitting. Before I came back in early Feb I thought about fleeing to the US, but haven’t entertained the idea since.