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There is a difference between communist and Stalinist/Leninist though. Calling yourself a nationalist Vs a Nazi seems to warrant that distinction in most countr

There is a difference between communist and Stalinist/Leninist though. Calling yourself a nationalist Vs a Nazi seems to warrant that distinction in most countries

kofejnik 6y ago
> There is a difference between communist and Stalinist/Leninist though only to communists, maybe. From where I stand, Leninism/Stalinism/Trotskism/other -ism are all extreme totalitarian ideologies
- igorkraw 6y ago
  And would you accept the same grouping of capitalism, American libertarianism and fascism or would you prefer people actually pay attention to nuances?
  - kofejnik 6y ago
    since all real-world outcomes of communism have been consistently horrible, and since communists killed several of my ancestors - no, I am not going to look for nuances. If nazis should be punched, so should communists. Maybe if North Korea suddenly turns into actual paradise, I'll reconsider.
    - igorkraw 6y ago
      all real world outcomes of communism? Really? China being a dominant super power? I disagree with the regime, yeah, but that's a pretty black and white statement there. The left spectrum stretches as wide as the right-wing one, and communism has influenced all of them ideologically via socialism and social democracy or directly via unions. MLK was a socialist. So was Einstein. Would you stick to your statement?
      - kofejnik 6y ago
        Love your China example! Germany under Hitler also was a dominant superpower, if you forgot. So you just reinforced my point that communism is a totalitarian aggressive ideology, pretty similar to Nazism. So yeah, _all_ real world outcomes, definitely
        Consultant32452 6y ago
        I too enjoy the China/Hitler comparison. The corporate press, Hollywood, recently the NBA, etc. are all openly supportive of China. So apparently China is not far enough left to warrant being labeled beyond the pale. I mean, how much further can you go?
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        China isn't even left, it's straight up ultranationalist, imperialist, corporatist. Chinese “Communism” has sort of completed the rightward trek Leninism started in order to dodge the need to move through capitalism and broad proletarian class consciousness found in Marxism to make something that could plausibly work in pre-capitalist Russia the whole way to straight up fascism.

There is a difference between communist and Stalinist/Leninist though. Calling yourself a nationalist Vs a Nazi seems to warrant that distinction in most countries

kofejnik 6y ago

> There is a difference between communist and Stalinist/Leninist though only to communists, maybe. From where I stand, Leninism/Stalinism/Trotskism/other -ism are all extreme totalitarian ideologies

igorkraw 6y ago
And would you accept the same grouping of capitalism, American libertarianism and fascism or would you prefer people actually pay attention to nuances?
- kofejnik 6y ago
  since all real-world outcomes of communism have been consistently horrible, and since communists killed several of my ancestors - no, I am not going to look for nuances. If nazis should be punched, so should communists. Maybe if North Korea suddenly turns into actual paradise, I'll reconsider.
  - igorkraw 6y ago
    all real world outcomes of communism? Really? China being a dominant super power? I disagree with the regime, yeah, but that's a pretty black and white statement there. The left spectrum stretches as wide as the right-wing one, and communism has influenced all of them ideologically via socialism and social democracy or directly via unions. MLK was a socialist. So was Einstein. Would you stick to your statement?
    - kofejnik 6y ago
      Love your China example! Germany under Hitler also was a dominant superpower, if you forgot. So you just reinforced my point that communism is a totalitarian aggressive ideology, pretty similar to Nazism. So yeah, _all_ real world outcomes, definitely
      - Consultant32452 6y ago
        I too enjoy the China/Hitler comparison. The corporate press, Hollywood, recently the NBA, etc. are all openly supportive of China. So apparently China is not far enough left to warrant being labeled beyond the pale. I mean, how much further can you go?
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        China isn't even left, it's straight up ultranationalist, imperialist, corporatist. Chinese “Communism” has sort of completed the rightward trek Leninism started in order to dodge the need to move through capitalism and broad proletarian class consciousness found in Marxism to make something that could plausibly work in pre-capitalist Russia the whole way to straight up fascism.