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Isn’t anybody else a little worried about how creepy this all is? The applications are endless, and I have this feeling that default on will become the norm, th

Isn’t anybody else a little worried about how creepy this all is? The applications are endless, and I have this feeling that default on will become the norm, then the setting to turn it on and off and even see if you’re being contact traced will eventually disappear.

dr_dshiv 6y ago
1. If you aren't careful, you are killing people 2. First amendment rights do not apply in an emergency 3. Don't compare covid19 to terrorism 4. Keep calm and carry on working from home
- goldforever 6y ago
  "If you aren't careful, you are killing people". Seriously? Those who are dying from this virus can blame their own weak immune system!
- mdorazio 6y ago
  I think you missed the point of the parent post. What's to stop governments from having a perpetual state of semi-emergency with always-on citizen tracking "because we don't know when this could happen again"? I think some worry over this is warranted.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
    > What's to stop governments from having a perpetual state of semi-emergency with always-on citizen trackin The same thing that stops companies from doing it continously and selling that data to the government, companies, bounty hounters, and ad sellers... I don't know what it is actually.
- dr_dshiv 6y ago
  Oh dear god, people took my post seriously? I meant it as overwrought sarcasm. No wonder I got so few downvoters.
bunnie 6y ago
It is creepy and a valid cause for concern. However, one of the redeeming features of a hardware token (vs. a phone app) for contact tracing is that eventually, the battery goes dead and the token is useless. So even if you forget to deactivate the token after the 'all-clear', within a matter of months the entire network goes dark. To clarify, it'll probably be a small miracle if the 1000mAh battery in the token lasts a full year...probably more like 6 months is a realistic lifespan for the token absent a battery replacement.
mhh__ 6y ago
This is partly why I think contact tracing using physical trackers should have at least been considered. Realistically only a certain subset of the population needs to be tracked (cost-wise). The ethical concerns with a tag that goes in your pocket (or similar) are more obvious but come the end of the pandemic you can throw it in the sea whereas once the technology exists in the phones you can't trust the government not to keep it in some form. Given the amount of processing power available to a state, and the amount of data collectable from a smartphone, it's getting increasingly possible to have a system like (in principle - not sonar or graphical but powerful correlations of sensor data from static WiFi hotspots and similar) that shown in The Dark Knight. Unfortunately no one will have the spine to say no.

dr_dshiv 6y ago

1. If you aren't careful, you are killing people 2. First amendment rights do not apply in an emergency 3. Don't compare covid19 to terrorism 4. Keep calm and carry on working from home

goldforever 6y ago
"If you aren't careful, you are killing people". Seriously? Those who are dying from this virus can blame their own weak immune system!
mdorazio 6y ago
I think you missed the point of the parent post. What's to stop governments from having a perpetual state of semi-emergency with always-on citizen tracking "because we don't know when this could happen again"? I think some worry over this is warranted.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
  > What's to stop governments from having a perpetual state of semi-emergency with always-on citizen trackin The same thing that stops companies from doing it continously and selling that data to the government, companies, bounty hounters, and ad sellers... I don't know what it is actually.
dr_dshiv 6y ago
Oh dear god, people took my post seriously? I meant it as overwrought sarcasm. No wonder I got so few downvoters.

bunnie 6y ago

It is creepy and a valid cause for concern. However, one of the redeeming features of a hardware token (vs. a phone app) for contact tracing is that eventually, the battery goes dead and the token is useless. So even if you forget to deactivate the token after the 'all-clear', within a matter of months the entire network goes dark. To clarify, it'll probably be a small miracle if the 1000mAh battery in the token lasts a full year...probably more like 6 months is a realistic lifespan for the token absent a battery replacement.

mhh__ 6y ago

This is partly why I think contact tracing using physical trackers should have at least been considered. Realistically only a certain subset of the population needs to be tracked (cost-wise). The ethical concerns with a tag that goes in your pocket (or similar) are more obvious but come the end of the pandemic you can throw it in the sea whereas once the technology exists in the phones you can't trust the government not to keep it in some form. Given the amount of processing power available to a state, and the amount of data collectable from a smartphone, it's getting increasingly possible to have a system like (in principle - not sonar or graphical but powerful correlations of sensor data from static WiFi hotspots and similar) that shown in The Dark Knight. Unfortunately no one will have the spine to say no.