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I use Safari as my main browser now due to the password generation/sharing with my iPhone. It's a killer feature for me.

by davedx 6y ago

faemir 6y ago
Firefox does this too FYI
- IOT_Apprentice 6y ago
  As does chrome and edge.
- davedx 6y ago
  I like Firefox but I don't use it on my iPhone. I use the Apple pw manager to log into websites on both phone/laptop a lot. The syncing to my iPhone is great.
viklove 6y ago
Almost every browser has this feature...
- danaris 6y ago
  But "almost every browser" doesn't sync your saved passwords seamlessly between devices (mobile and desktop) with an end-to-end encrypted database, and automatically offer to autofill them, with the autofill itself protected by Touch ID/Face ID on the devices that support those.
  - edjrage 6y ago
    For one, Bitwarden does all of that and more (I guess except the Face ID thing, but I don't really want that so I'd disable it anyway). It has web, mobile and desktop apps, and browser extensions. All available in the free plan. Oh, and it's open source and self-hostable. https://bitwarden.com/ https://bitwarden.com/ (Not affiliated with it, just a pretty happy (free) user!)
    - danaris 6y ago
      Neat, and glad to know about it! I've actually been surprised (and a little frustrated) that there haven't been any alternatives to iCloud Keychain for genuine seamless, e2e encrypted, password management. Does it actually work the same as Mobile Safari's interface on iOS? Automatically presenting options both for creating and autofilling passwords on webpages? (If it can do that in iOS Firefox, I might consider it...I've been using desktop Firefox for a while because of some bizarre idiosyncratic issues I have with Safari on my laptop, that I can't reproduce anywhere else, but are extremely irritating where they do happen...)
      - darkteflon 6y ago
        Yes, it does. The integration with both Safari and Firefox on iOS is excellent. In Settings -> Passwords & Accounts -> Autofill Passwords you just change the backend from iCloud Keychain to Bitwarden, then it otherwise behaves substantially the same. A big benefit of switching to Bitwarden is that you can also get it up and running on non-Apple machines. Kicking myself for not doing it earlier. Just be aware that bulk exporting your passwords from iCloud Keychain is non-trivial.
  - lisnake 6y ago
    Chrome does that. If you set a passphrase for sync, then your data is e2e encrypted. https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
    Lastpass does this, but works with apps as well. Third party password managers are absolutely underrated, because most of them are truly cross-platform. If you create a Netflix account on your desktop in Chrome, it can generate a password for you, or auto-grab whatever password you typed in, and will autofill that password when you open the Netflix app on your phone. (Based on a built-in association between "netflix.com" and the Netflix android app.) Super handy feature when you get a new mobile device and need to get logged in to all your apps for the first time.
jnwatson 6y ago
That's a commodity feature at this point.
webmobdev 6y ago
Use a password manager. It's safer than trusting Apple or Google who are after your personal data.
- kn0where 6y ago
  Also worth noting is that with recent iOS versions, third party password managers are recognized at the OS level, and can be used with the same seamlessness as iCloud Keychain.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Apple and Google aren't going to sell users' login credentials, and if law enforcement is requesting information, they will go directly to the provider who contains your data they're seeking.
- danaris 6y ago
  Apple never gets your saved login credentials. iCloud Keychain is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple hasn't been shy about advertising that fact.
  - webmobdev 6y ago
    > Apple never gets your saved login credentials. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. They are a part of PRISM.
darkteflon 6y ago
Pray you never have to bulk export your passwords. It is extremely painful.
Diesel555 6y ago
Assumptions: 1) All my devices are Apple 2) I'm not planning on leaving Apple For all the negative replies I wonder how many people actually have used Keychain. It's very good. I tried onePassword, google's, and firefox's, but none integrates as well among all my devices and with zero effort in the OS as keychain. Anyone leaving negative comments about keychain, at least point out that you've given it the ol' try in the Apple Ecosystem. Or we have different assumptions and you have devices outside the Apple ecosystem or don't want to be tied to it therefore the benefits I see to keychain don't apply to you. Also the WWDC yesterday has some cool new features about bad passwords (But I think other password managers already do this).

I use Safari as my main browser now due to the password generation/sharing with my iPhone. It's a killer feature for me.

by davedx 6y ago

I use Safari as my main browser now due to the password generation/sharing with my iPhone. It's a killer feature for me.

faemir 6y ago

Firefox does this too FYI

IOT_Apprentice 6y ago
As does chrome and edge.
davedx 6y ago
I like Firefox but I don't use it on my iPhone. I use the Apple pw manager to log into websites on both phone/laptop a lot. The syncing to my iPhone is great.

viklove 6y ago

Almost every browser has this feature...

danaris 6y ago
But "almost every browser" doesn't sync your saved passwords seamlessly between devices (mobile and desktop) with an end-to-end encrypted database, and automatically offer to autofill them, with the autofill itself protected by Touch ID/Face ID on the devices that support those.
- edjrage 6y ago
  For one, Bitwarden does all of that and more (I guess except the Face ID thing, but I don't really want that so I'd disable it anyway). It has web, mobile and desktop apps, and browser extensions. All available in the free plan. Oh, and it's open source and self-hostable. https://bitwarden.com/ https://bitwarden.com/ (Not affiliated with it, just a pretty happy (free) user!)
  - danaris 6y ago
    Neat, and glad to know about it! I've actually been surprised (and a little frustrated) that there haven't been any alternatives to iCloud Keychain for genuine seamless, e2e encrypted, password management. Does it actually work the same as Mobile Safari's interface on iOS? Automatically presenting options both for creating and autofilling passwords on webpages? (If it can do that in iOS Firefox, I might consider it...I've been using desktop Firefox for a while because of some bizarre idiosyncratic issues I have with Safari on my laptop, that I can't reproduce anywhere else, but are extremely irritating where they do happen...)
    - darkteflon 6y ago
      Yes, it does. The integration with both Safari and Firefox on iOS is excellent. In Settings -> Passwords & Accounts -> Autofill Passwords you just change the backend from iCloud Keychain to Bitwarden, then it otherwise behaves substantially the same. A big benefit of switching to Bitwarden is that you can also get it up and running on non-Apple machines. Kicking myself for not doing it earlier. Just be aware that bulk exporting your passwords from iCloud Keychain is non-trivial.
- lisnake 6y ago
  Chrome does that. If you set a passphrase for sync, then your data is e2e encrypted. https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/165139
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
  Lastpass does this, but works with apps as well. Third party password managers are absolutely underrated, because most of them are truly cross-platform. If you create a Netflix account on your desktop in Chrome, it can generate a password for you, or auto-grab whatever password you typed in, and will autofill that password when you open the Netflix app on your phone. (Based on a built-in association between "netflix.com" and the Netflix android app.) Super handy feature when you get a new mobile device and need to get logged in to all your apps for the first time.

jnwatson 6y ago

That's a commodity feature at this point.

webmobdev 6y ago

Use a password manager. It's safer than trusting Apple or Google who are after your personal data.

kn0where 6y ago
Also worth noting is that with recent iOS versions, third party password managers are recognized at the OS level, and can be used with the same seamlessness as iCloud Keychain.
toomuchtodo 6y ago
Apple and Google aren't going to sell users' login credentials, and if law enforcement is requesting information, they will go directly to the provider who contains your data they're seeking.
danaris 6y ago
Apple never gets your saved login credentials. iCloud Keychain is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple hasn't been shy about advertising that fact.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  > Apple never gets your saved login credentials. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. They are a part of PRISM.

darkteflon 6y ago

Pray you never have to bulk export your passwords. It is extremely painful.

Diesel555 6y ago

Assumptions: 1) All my devices are Apple 2) I'm not planning on leaving Apple For all the negative replies I wonder how many people actually have used Keychain. It's very good. I tried onePassword, google's, and firefox's, but none integrates as well among all my devices and with zero effort in the OS as keychain. Anyone leaving negative comments about keychain, at least point out that you've given it the ol' try in the Apple Ecosystem. Or we have different assumptions and you have devices outside the Apple ecosystem or don't want to be tied to it therefore the benefits I see to keychain don't apply to you. Also the WWDC yesterday has some cool new features about bad passwords (But I think other password managers already do this).