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I'm wondering if this can be attributed to large gatherings associated with protests and demonstrations as well as the "reopening" that's currently on-going?

• ruddct 6y ago
  Re: protests, NYC has had large, extremely dense protests for weeks now. Mask compliance is near 100% at them, and testing is easy, ubiquitous and free. We have not seen a spike in cases.
  • SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
    Masks are only partially efficient. There is actually a spike all over US. The issue of protests is political, and no one wants to kick the wasps nest, because Republicans want unsafe Trump rallies to keep going.
    • AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      Why specifically call out Republicans? Pretty sure that Democrats/liberals/BLM/antifa want the protests to keep going. Or are you saying that the ones who would normally call that out are the Republicans, and they won't because they want Trump's rallies to happen? That's quite plausibly true. But putting it the way you did makes your view sound quite slanted.
      • SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
        Yes, the second statement.
  • pmoriarty 6y ago
    Don't count your chickens before they hatch. It can take weeks after infection to start showing symptoms, weeks more to be sick enough to need hospitalization, weeks after that to die. These days, many people won't even go to hospitals, even when they're dying, and when they die at home they may never be tested for the virus at all, so won't necessarily be counted as having died from COVID-19. The direct repercussions of the highly irresponsible mass gatherings that have been taking place over the last few weeks may not be evident for some time. All this doesn't even take in to account all the people who did not attend any gathering but got infected by someone who did, and yet further infections from the first-order indirect infections, and so on. Those later, indirect cases (which will still be the result of infections spread during these gatherings) will take even longer to be noticed.
    • greedo 6y ago
      Symptoms typically manifest in a week for the majority of cases. Considering the scope of the protests, we'd be seeing spikes in NYC, NJ, MN, etc if they were a primary source of infection.
      • Gibbon1 6y ago
        My theory because the protests happen outside and a lot of people were wearing masks, the total effective exposure is a small fraction of the population total. Bonus the groups protesting probably are otherwise doing a good job protecting themselves.
        • greedo 6y ago
          Masks really do a good job, which is why I'm still irate about the CDC guidelines in March. I think they were a tremendous disservice to the country. Yes, we didn't want to use up our small supply of N95 masks when they were more valuable to healthcare providers etc. But cloth masks work very well if used by a large percentage of the population. Manufacturing them would have been a very fast win, possibly cutting the infection rate in half, and a corresponding cut in fatalities. My daughter was sewing cloth masks by March 15 when it was almost impossible to come by an N95 mask. She's made over 20 reusable masks. How hard would it have been for the rest of the country to do something similar, had we been given effective leadership?
          • Gibbon1 6y ago
            I read an essay about Mongolia. When China locked down Wuhan they closed their borders, closed schools, and because they also had a shortage of masks simply told people that they had to save the N95 masks for healthcare workers. And had seamstresses sew cloth masks and sell them to pharmacies. They did this without having any detected cases.
• jrnichols 6y ago
  mysteriously, the protests seem to be completely absent in the reporting. (yes, I'm aware of mask usage) it's blamed on Memorial Day gatherings, graduation parties, etc. or primary voting in Wisconsin.. which did not lead to a spike, and did not lead to a bunch of deaths. The numbers are crazy in some areas, not in others. Texas has 254 counties, and probably 200 of those counties have had less than 75 cases each. many of them have reported 0 cases, and 0 covid-19 related deaths. Even some of the counties around Dallas are doing just fine. This whole thing is bizarre. If masks work this well and protesters aren't spiking, I'm not really seeing a good case for allowing more fans at outdoor sporting events.
• ls612 6y ago
  In Minneapolis cases and hospitalizations have been trending down(!) ever since Memorial Day when this all started. To the point that hospitalizations are about half of what they were then. So it can’t just be the protests.