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And I’ll continue to buy them. Why? Because I have better things to do with my time than fiddle with my OS, and because it’s still Unix like without having an

And I’ll continue to buy them. Why? Because I have better things to do with my time than fiddle with my OS, and because it’s still Unix like without having an awful user experience. And my employers will continue to buy macs for me for largely similar reasons. My last colleague who tried to use Linux literally never got their laptop to work with the WiFi authentication, so they had to wire in.

NotATroll 6y ago
Meh, I just load up manjaro with XFCE and call it a day. Not much fiddling involved, very little about the user experience that I don't like. Only thing I ever really tweaked was running a more up-to-date kernel for an old soundcard I used to use. Which took a couple of clicks. Sorry for your colleague who had trouble with wifi, but. /shrug
wayneftw 6y ago
Been running Manjaro Linux for 2 years now on 2 desktop workstations and 1 laptop. No fiddling needed. Everything just works. (I had to install one utility called libinput-gestures to use multi-touch gestures on the laptop.) Matter of fact, my life is easier with this setup than it ever was with macOS or Windows since every piece of software I need is in the package manager including official Chrome, Slack, Thunderbird, Zoom, Beyond Compare, VS Code, Node.js, .NET Core, Docker, MySQL Workbench, Azure Data Studio and many, many, many more... I avoided Linux for years because every time I tried, it would break but Manjaro/XFCE never broke once on me. I can't recommend it enough. So glad I'm no longer a slave to Apple or Microsoft.
- lghh 6y ago
  Buying a laptop to run manjaro is a minefield. I have had some Just Work. Those were generally older laptops without dedicated graphics. I have had newer laptops fail to properly switch between graphics, rip through my battery, not reconnect to wifi after waking up forcing me to shut down and boot up every time I wanted it to sleep, have middling to poor touchpad drivers, not have the webcam work out of the box. For those who get lucky, great. For those that want to fix that stuff, which is sometimes easy, sometimes hard, other times nearly impossible without writing drivers yourself, good for them too. I don't want any of that.
  - piyh 6y ago
    I tried manjaro after living on debian based distros for most of my life. I somehow ended up in dependency hell after only a month.
  - wayneftw 6y ago
    That's a good point. I think the Arch wiki is a good resource for this. My laptop is listed here - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_Aspire_E5-575 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_Aspire_E5-575 I have the exceptionally cheap Acer E5-575g model (quad core i5) with RAM upgraded to 32gb and a 500gb Samsung EVO ssd. The touchpad is an Elantech. If anyone knows another good site, please let me know - I'll be shopping for an upgrade early next year.
leokennis 6y ago
Exactly this. Let’s assume you have a computer because it helps you in getting tasks done. In Windows, antivirus bloatware and ads in your start menu stand between you and that goal. Third party software is often of very disputable quality and design. In Linux, it’s always a surprise what thing/dependency is suddenly broken on this boot, and what arcane commands I need to fix it. On macOS generally I boot my machine, click on the app I need to perform my task, the app will be of sufficient to very good quality, I do my task and I’m done.

NotATroll 6y ago

Meh, I just load up manjaro with XFCE and call it a day. Not much fiddling involved, very little about the user experience that I don't like. Only thing I ever really tweaked was running a more up-to-date kernel for an old soundcard I used to use. Which took a couple of clicks. Sorry for your colleague who had trouble with wifi, but. /shrug

wayneftw 6y ago

Been running Manjaro Linux for 2 years now on 2 desktop workstations and 1 laptop. No fiddling needed. Everything just works. (I had to install one utility called libinput-gestures to use multi-touch gestures on the laptop.) Matter of fact, my life is easier with this setup than it ever was with macOS or Windows since every piece of software I need is in the package manager including official Chrome, Slack, Thunderbird, Zoom, Beyond Compare, VS Code, Node.js, .NET Core, Docker, MySQL Workbench, Azure Data Studio and many, many, many more... I avoided Linux for years because every time I tried, it would break but Manjaro/XFCE never broke once on me. I can't recommend it enough. So glad I'm no longer a slave to Apple or Microsoft.

lghh 6y ago
Buying a laptop to run manjaro is a minefield. I have had some Just Work. Those were generally older laptops without dedicated graphics. I have had newer laptops fail to properly switch between graphics, rip through my battery, not reconnect to wifi after waking up forcing me to shut down and boot up every time I wanted it to sleep, have middling to poor touchpad drivers, not have the webcam work out of the box. For those who get lucky, great. For those that want to fix that stuff, which is sometimes easy, sometimes hard, other times nearly impossible without writing drivers yourself, good for them too. I don't want any of that.
- piyh 6y ago
  I tried manjaro after living on debian based distros for most of my life. I somehow ended up in dependency hell after only a month.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  That's a good point. I think the Arch wiki is a good resource for this. My laptop is listed here - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_Aspire_E5-575 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acer_Aspire_E5-575 I have the exceptionally cheap Acer E5-575g model (quad core i5) with RAM upgraded to 32gb and a 500gb Samsung EVO ssd. The touchpad is an Elantech. If anyone knows another good site, please let me know - I'll be shopping for an upgrade early next year.

leokennis 6y ago

Exactly this. Let’s assume you have a computer because it helps you in getting tasks done. In Windows, antivirus bloatware and ads in your start menu stand between you and that goal. Third party software is often of very disputable quality and design. In Linux, it’s always a surprise what thing/dependency is suddenly broken on this boot, and what arcane commands I need to fix it. On macOS generally I boot my machine, click on the app I need to perform my task, the app will be of sufficient to very good quality, I do my task and I’m done.