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On the contrary, one should absolutely be concerned about the number of total cases. In ~ 15 % of cases the convalescence period is greater than a month, and th

On the contrary, one should absolutely be concerned about the number of total cases. In ~ 15 % of cases the convalescence period is greater than a month, and there is reason to be concerned about CFS in recovered patients. With SARS, the incidence of CFS was 40 %!. If you aren't sufficiently worried, John Campbell has a video about the clinical presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7BbXEOB1gk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7BbXEOB1gk

buhhh 6y ago
Sorry, what is CFS? edit: thanks!
- jahewson 6y ago
  Chronic fatigue syndrome
- mehrdadn 6y ago
  I think Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/could-covid-19-cause-long-term-chronic-fatigue-and-illness-in-some-patients/2020/05/29/bcd5edb2-a02c-11ea-b5c9-570a91917d8d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/could-covid-19-cause-l...
- catawbasam 6y ago
  probably Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
- deleted 6y ago
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eiji 6y ago
For 2.5 month now we are always two weeks away from a catastrophe with mass graves and hospital parking lots full of dead people. And then two weeks pass and nothing really happens. Reality just doesn't seem to square up with the fearmongering.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  Go work at the nearest meat processing plant.
  - eiji 6y ago
    That's just hyperbole and a statements to shut down a conversation. That statement has nothing to do with "one should absolutely be concerned about the number of total cases".
    - HarryHirsch 6y ago
      The fact that there are continuously new outbreaks in meat processing plants shows that indoors the disease is easily transmitted, and it's so serious that the workforce is off sick with high fever for weeks. The CFR for coronaplague is ~ 1 %, comparable to the Spanish Flu in Germany. The impact was catastrophic, the High Command had to decide between sending young men to the front or keeping them at work in coal and steel. In those days there was little automation, the infection would spread like wildfire through the workforce at any large employer. The only reason we aren't seeing the same now is that people adhere to some form of social distancing - work from home, no going out to bars, no gym, no church, kids are not in school, but as soon as guard is dropped infection rates jump up again. We are seeing this as well. Israel had new cases down to 1 per 100000 people until they opened up the schools and cases increased by two orders of magnitude.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  Well that's not actually wrong. The number of cases can go up 20 fold in two weeks without social distancing measures and people wearing masks.
- tunesmith 6y ago
  The US has had around 8,000 deaths from COVID in the last two weeks.
  - pbreit 6y ago
mdorazio 6y ago
15% of cases among what demographic/clinical groups, though? I don't think it's anywhere near 15% (or even 1%) of cases in healthy people under 60 with no complicating conditions, but I could definitely be wrong. I don't think our testing, especially in the US, is strong enough to draw any real conclusions given how many people are asymptomatic/mildly symptomatic.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Half the country has one of those "complicating conditions" - obesity, hypertension, diabetes...

buhhh 6y ago

Sorry, what is CFS? edit: thanks!

jahewson 6y ago
Chronic fatigue syndrome
mehrdadn 6y ago
I think Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/could-covid-19-cause-long-term-chronic-fatigue-and-illness-in-some-patients/2020/05/29/bcd5edb2-a02c-11ea-b5c9-570a91917d8d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/could-covid-19-cause-l...
catawbasam 6y ago
probably Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
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eiji 6y ago

For 2.5 month now we are always two weeks away from a catastrophe with mass graves and hospital parking lots full of dead people. And then two weeks pass and nothing really happens. Reality just doesn't seem to square up with the fearmongering.

HarryHirsch 6y ago
Go work at the nearest meat processing plant.
- eiji 6y ago
  That's just hyperbole and a statements to shut down a conversation. That statement has nothing to do with "one should absolutely be concerned about the number of total cases".
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    The fact that there are continuously new outbreaks in meat processing plants shows that indoors the disease is easily transmitted, and it's so serious that the workforce is off sick with high fever for weeks. The CFR for coronaplague is ~ 1 %, comparable to the Spanish Flu in Germany. The impact was catastrophic, the High Command had to decide between sending young men to the front or keeping them at work in coal and steel. In those days there was little automation, the infection would spread like wildfire through the workforce at any large employer. The only reason we aren't seeing the same now is that people adhere to some form of social distancing - work from home, no going out to bars, no gym, no church, kids are not in school, but as soon as guard is dropped infection rates jump up again. We are seeing this as well. Israel had new cases down to 1 per 100000 people until they opened up the schools and cases increased by two orders of magnitude.
Gibbon1 6y ago
Well that's not actually wrong. The number of cases can go up 20 fold in two weeks without social distancing measures and people wearing masks.
tunesmith 6y ago
The US has had around 8,000 deaths from COVID in the last two weeks.
- pbreit 6y ago

mdorazio 6y ago

15% of cases among what demographic/clinical groups, though? I don't think it's anywhere near 15% (or even 1%) of cases in healthy people under 60 with no complicating conditions, but I could definitely be wrong. I don't think our testing, especially in the US, is strong enough to draw any real conclusions given how many people are asymptomatic/mildly symptomatic.

ceejayoz 6y ago
Half the country has one of those "complicating conditions" - obesity, hypertension, diabetes...