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"I suspect that non-App Store apps for the Mac may be seeing the twilight." Obv someone doesn't shop on Steam.

ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
I do, and being a Mac user on Steam sucks. Epic is even worse. Apple doesn't seem to be particularly worried about it. For all the hate dumped on Mac as being a "toy" computer, it is a terrible gaming computer. I use it to do work.
- amatecha 6y ago
  Oh yeah, I can't even run Steam anymore (because they require 10.11 or newer) so I can't play any of the hundreds of games that WOULD run on my machine, because the downloader (Steam) can't run... :)
- benologist 6y ago
  My x86 Macbook Pro has been just extraordinarily capable, dual-booting Windows and using an eGPU has been great for gaming. Maybe some of this will survive through virtualization if we can assign eGPUs to virtual machines.
- duskwuff 6y ago
  Valve doesn't seem particularly worried about it either. Steam's macOS support has always felt like an afterthought -- they've put more effort into supporting the miniscule number of users on Linux (through efforts like Proton) than macOS.
  - thejynxed 6y ago
    From my understanding it's because Valve really wants to directly interact with Apple as infrequently as possible.
- mikenew 6y ago
  I tried so hard to be a gamer on macOS, and I kept telling myself it would eventually get better. But I had to give up. You can't even turn off mouse acceleration, which is a bare-level requirement for RTS games like StarCraft. There's something about an OS that won't let me decide how my mouse works that just irked me to no end. For a while there was some sketchy kernel extension you could pay $20 for to kill the acceleration, but even that stopped working.
throwaway2048 6y ago
Considering that 80% of mac games got axed with the removal of 32bit support, and approximately 100% of the remaining with the ARM transition, id say they don't use Steam at Apple either.
- duskwuff 6y ago
  x86 games will run under emulation on ARM hardware.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Not well, of course. Just passably.
    - duskwuff 6y ago
      That's not something we know at this point. All that we know is that Apple has demonstrated a game running acceptably well on their current development hardware. Performance is likely to improve in production versions of the OS, and/or with production hardware.

I do, and being a Mac user on Steam sucks. Epic is even worse. Apple doesn't seem to be particularly worried about it. For all the hate dumped on Mac as being a "toy" computer, it is a terrible gaming computer. I use it to do work.

amatecha 6y ago
Oh yeah, I can't even run Steam anymore (because they require 10.11 or newer) so I can't play any of the hundreds of games that WOULD run on my machine, because the downloader (Steam) can't run... :)
benologist 6y ago
My x86 Macbook Pro has been just extraordinarily capable, dual-booting Windows and using an eGPU has been great for gaming. Maybe some of this will survive through virtualization if we can assign eGPUs to virtual machines.
duskwuff 6y ago
Valve doesn't seem particularly worried about it either. Steam's macOS support has always felt like an afterthought -- they've put more effort into supporting the miniscule number of users on Linux (through efforts like Proton) than macOS.
- thejynxed 6y ago
  From my understanding it's because Valve really wants to directly interact with Apple as infrequently as possible.
mikenew 6y ago
I tried so hard to be a gamer on macOS, and I kept telling myself it would eventually get better. But I had to give up. You can't even turn off mouse acceleration, which is a bare-level requirement for RTS games like StarCraft. There's something about an OS that won't let me decide how my mouse works that just irked me to no end. For a while there was some sketchy kernel extension you could pay $20 for to kill the acceleration, but even that stopped working.

throwaway2048 6y ago

Considering that 80% of mac games got axed with the removal of 32bit support, and approximately 100% of the remaining with the ARM transition, id say they don't use Steam at Apple either.

duskwuff 6y ago
x86 games will run under emulation on ARM hardware.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Not well, of course. Just passably.
  - duskwuff 6y ago
    That's not something we know at this point. All that we know is that Apple has demonstrated a game running acceptably well on their current development hardware. Performance is likely to improve in production versions of the OS, and/or with production hardware.