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One of the big turndowns from Apple for me was when they did not give me a choice but to upgrade an Ipad 2 i had loaded with cool music apps. The ipad was 1 in

One of the big turndowns from Apple for me was when they did not give me a choice but to upgrade an Ipad 2 i had loaded with cool music apps. The ipad was 1 instrument more un my studio, could trigger MIDi or have good apps. I can remember why i had to upgrade, but waited as long as i could. After the upgrade the ipad became unresponsive, they slowed down the processor but it did not came out untill they got sued. I gave the ipad to my mother and never again bought one. I still use a Mac pro in the studio. I run El capitan, with newish protools and Ableton, and have another partition with 10.6 with legacy Pro Tools and a ton of nice plugins. But when i need to do office or programming i boot in Linux. I have also and old macbook air that is in the process of be turned into Linux. For music it was and it is amazing to be able to run withouth trouble, it was always a hassle to update as music software was a year behind at least. Apple was cool, now is just another big corporation.

scarface74 6y ago
Apple never got sued for slowing down the iPad.
- quijoteuniv 6y ago
  True. «Fined« and it was Iphones https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 but the exact same thing happened to my Ipad. After the upgrade it was slow
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Again, that's not true either. It was specifically about iPhones and specifically about older batteries. Apple still doesn't have the type of battery management for iPads. The article you cited specifically lists the devices affected.
    - xigency 6y ago
      I believe Apple has faced multiple class action lawsuits over this type of issue. Here is the pretty broad result of one: "Friday’s settlement covers U.S. owners of the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s, 6s Plus, 7, 7Plus or SE that ran the iOS 10.2.1 or later operating system. It also covers U.S. owners of the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus that ran iOS 11.2 or later before Dec. 21, 2017. Consumers contended that their phones’ performance suffered after they installed Apple software updates. They said this misled them into believing their phones were near the end of their lifecycles, requiring replacements or new batteries." [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphones-settlement/apple-to-pay-up-to-500-million-to-settle-u-s-lawsuit-over-slow-iphones-idUSKBN20P2E7 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphones-settlement/...
      - scarface74 6y ago
        So in response to a post saying that “Apple never got sued for slowing down iPads”, you post another link where they got sued for slowing down a number of iPhones.
        xigency 6y ago
        Yes, because your original argument was with someone who said their iPad was slower after a software update. This is evidence that hundreds of people had iOS devices slow down noticeably after an update and Apple decided to pay them to remove the case from court. As a software developer I am aware of how adding features to an operating system to can indeed slow it down on existing hardware or raise the level of what the minimum specs are. Many of those issues would affect both iPads and iPhones. I understand that you're trying to 'debunk' something here but the honest truth is that some people have had bad experiences with Apple products.
        scarface74 6y ago
        No “Words Mean Things”. The original poster said Apple got sued for slowing down iPads. I said one sentence. Apple never got sued for slowing down the iPad. He claimed that Apple got sued that wasn’t the case. I never said that iPads didn’t slow down because of iOS updates. My first gen iPad became very unstable because of iOS 5. I didn’t buy a new iPad until 2017. So how are two citations about Apple getting sued for slowing down iPhones relevant? Not only that, the lawsuits were because Apple slowed down phones when batteries got old. The slowdowns on the phones when Apple was sued were caused by the battery not the OS. The iPad has never had the power management features that the iPhone has for old batteries.
- greedo 6y ago
  Nor did they force any iPad upgrades...sigh
  - xigency 6y ago
    Whether or not Apple "forces" users to update, on current iOS they will prompt users to update on a daily basis and there is no way to turn off those notifications. There is also no way to prevent the automatic downloading of updates unless you block them at a firewall level or have limited free storage space on your device.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/stop-iphone-nagging-ios-software-update-3641478/ https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/stop-iphone-nagging...
      - xigency 6y ago
        I took the time to read this article and also check my phone settings. I do have automatic updates disabled but have been getting daily update notifications. From the article: "Turning off Automatic Updates and deleting the latest update from your Storage will prevent you from getting the alert windows in the future, although some users have reported that iOS re-downloads the update when the iPhone is connected to Wi-Fi. If the 'Install Now/Remind Later' alert re-appears, check in your Storage & iCloud Usage and delete the update again. You'll still get alerts from the App Store when Apple releases a new version. But these only come along every few months; not daily."
  - quijoteuniv 6y ago
    The issue was that I could not sync my Ipad with Itunes anymore i believe, so I could not for example load music to my Ipad. So they did not "force" me you are right, but I did not get other choice because they disable some core functionalities. I aprecciated if you elaborated the meaning of "sigh", as you might noticed english is not my native language. And please do tell on your experience on the subject.
xigency 6y ago
As someone who likes to save money by postponing buying a new phone, this has been a problem for me as well. My iPhone 4S became very slow with iOS 9 and had a quickly draining battery. I eventually stopped using it when the speaker broke as I could no longer use it as a phone.

scarface74 6y ago

Apple never got sued for slowing down the iPad.

quijoteuniv 6y ago
True. «Fined« and it was Iphones https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724 but the exact same thing happened to my Ipad. After the upgrade it was slow
- scarface74 6y ago
  Again, that's not true either. It was specifically about iPhones and specifically about older batteries. Apple still doesn't have the type of battery management for iPads. The article you cited specifically lists the devices affected.
  - xigency 6y ago
    I believe Apple has faced multiple class action lawsuits over this type of issue. Here is the pretty broad result of one: "Friday’s settlement covers U.S. owners of the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s, 6s Plus, 7, 7Plus or SE that ran the iOS 10.2.1 or later operating system. It also covers U.S. owners of the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus that ran iOS 11.2 or later before Dec. 21, 2017. Consumers contended that their phones’ performance suffered after they installed Apple software updates. They said this misled them into believing their phones were near the end of their lifecycles, requiring replacements or new batteries." [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphones-settlement/apple-to-pay-up-to-500-million-to-settle-u-s-lawsuit-over-slow-iphones-idUSKBN20P2E7 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphones-settlement/...
    - scarface74 6y ago
      So in response to a post saying that “Apple never got sued for slowing down iPads”, you post another link where they got sued for slowing down a number of iPhones.
      - xigency 6y ago
        Yes, because your original argument was with someone who said their iPad was slower after a software update. This is evidence that hundreds of people had iOS devices slow down noticeably after an update and Apple decided to pay them to remove the case from court. As a software developer I am aware of how adding features to an operating system to can indeed slow it down on existing hardware or raise the level of what the minimum specs are. Many of those issues would affect both iPads and iPhones. I understand that you're trying to 'debunk' something here but the honest truth is that some people have had bad experiences with Apple products.
        scarface74 6y ago
        No “Words Mean Things”. The original poster said Apple got sued for slowing down iPads. I said one sentence. Apple never got sued for slowing down the iPad. He claimed that Apple got sued that wasn’t the case. I never said that iPads didn’t slow down because of iOS updates. My first gen iPad became very unstable because of iOS 5. I didn’t buy a new iPad until 2017. So how are two citations about Apple getting sued for slowing down iPhones relevant? Not only that, the lawsuits were because Apple slowed down phones when batteries got old. The slowdowns on the phones when Apple was sued were caused by the battery not the OS. The iPad has never had the power management features that the iPhone has for old batteries.
greedo 6y ago
Nor did they force any iPad upgrades...sigh
- xigency 6y ago
  Whether or not Apple "forces" users to update, on current iOS they will prompt users to update on a daily basis and there is no way to turn off those notifications. There is also no way to prevent the automatic downloading of updates unless you block them at a firewall level or have limited free storage space on your device.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/stop-iphone-nagging-ios-software-update-3641478/ https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/stop-iphone-nagging...
    - xigency 6y ago
      I took the time to read this article and also check my phone settings. I do have automatic updates disabled but have been getting daily update notifications. From the article: "Turning off Automatic Updates and deleting the latest update from your Storage will prevent you from getting the alert windows in the future, although some users have reported that iOS re-downloads the update when the iPhone is connected to Wi-Fi. If the 'Install Now/Remind Later' alert re-appears, check in your Storage & iCloud Usage and delete the update again. You'll still get alerts from the App Store when Apple releases a new version. But these only come along every few months; not daily."
- quijoteuniv 6y ago
  The issue was that I could not sync my Ipad with Itunes anymore i believe, so I could not for example load music to my Ipad. So they did not "force" me you are right, but I did not get other choice because they disable some core functionalities. I aprecciated if you elaborated the meaning of "sigh", as you might noticed english is not my native language. And please do tell on your experience on the subject.

xigency 6y ago

As someone who likes to save money by postponing buying a new phone, this has been a problem for me as well. My iPhone 4S became very slow with iOS 9 and had a quickly draining battery. I eventually stopped using it when the speaker broke as I could no longer use it as a phone.