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Resisting arrest should not lead to death. There is no urgency to shoot someone who is drunk in the back as he is fleeing when you have his car in your possessi

Resisting arrest should not lead to death. There is no urgency to shoot someone who is drunk in the back as he is fleeing when you have his car in your possession. Polices are using unnecessarily lethal force indiscriminately for offenses and in situations that don't require in the least. They have been getting positive reinforcement by being not prosecuted and being protected by their force and the system in general.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> They have been getting positive reinforcement by being not prosecuted and being protected by their force and the system in general. Also, a number of cases have come out recently of police were disciplined, including dismissals, for reporting or intervening against excessive use of force by other cops, so there is negative reinforcement for good cops as well as positive reinforcement for the bad ones.
- jacques_chester 6y ago
  A nitpick. "Positive" and "negative" in reinforcement don't mean "good, pleasant, desired" and "bad, unpleasant, not desired". They mean "something was added" and "something was taken away". Better names would be "additive" and "subtractive". The term for "good, pleasant, desired" is "reinforcement", for "bad, unpleasant, not desired" is punishment. So: Positive reinforcement --> Behaviour leads to addition of pleasurable stimulus. Eg. Press button, receive food. Negative reinforcement --> Behaviour leads to removal of unpleasant stimulus. Eg. Press button, persistent loud noise is muted. Positive punishment --> Behaviour leads to addition of unpleasant stimulus. Eg. Press button, loud noise begins. Negative punishment --> Behaviour leads to removal of pleasant stimulus. Eg. Press button, food is taken away.
marcinzm 6y ago
We’ve also seen the last month that police will lie to cover their backsides. Resisting arrest without video evidence to prove it just means they needed a retroactive excuse.
eMSF 6y ago
>Resisting arrest should not lead to death Yes, the world is not perfect in many ways. That does not remove the logical fallacy of implying that because police are (wrongly, as you say) a mortal threat to those who resist arrests, therefore police are one of the biggest threats (if not the threat) in an average black persons life. The recent two cases do not offer convincing evidence for the latter (although other cases may do so). Of course this (particular topic) isn't really a place for arguing for an argument's sake. Rather, it's for showing your compassion.
- eloff 6y ago
  I think you're correct. They're likely not the biggest threat. That's probably heart disease, cancer, or diabetes in the US. Violence of any kind is way down the list for most people. I don't think they have to be the biggest threat to acknowledge that the police are out of control and above the law. Fix them, or abolish them and recreate them if they can't be fixed. This issue goes well beyond racism. Blacks feel it the most, but this problem affects everybody. Nobody wants police that can steal from you (civil forfeiture) or assault or even kill you without sufficient reason or consequences.
eloff 6y ago
Exactly this. The force used should always match the situation. Deadly force should not be used ever on an unarmed individual. Police should have to face trial if a prosecutor believes a case can be made that the force used was inappropriate - no special protections.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> They have been getting positive reinforcement by being not prosecuted and being protected by their force and the system in general. Also, a number of cases have come out recently of police were disciplined, including dismissals, for reporting or intervening against excessive use of force by other cops, so there is negative reinforcement for good cops as well as positive reinforcement for the bad ones.

jacques_chester 6y ago
A nitpick. "Positive" and "negative" in reinforcement don't mean "good, pleasant, desired" and "bad, unpleasant, not desired". They mean "something was added" and "something was taken away". Better names would be "additive" and "subtractive". The term for "good, pleasant, desired" is "reinforcement", for "bad, unpleasant, not desired" is punishment. So: Positive reinforcement --> Behaviour leads to addition of pleasurable stimulus. Eg. Press button, receive food. Negative reinforcement --> Behaviour leads to removal of unpleasant stimulus. Eg. Press button, persistent loud noise is muted. Positive punishment --> Behaviour leads to addition of unpleasant stimulus. Eg. Press button, loud noise begins. Negative punishment --> Behaviour leads to removal of pleasant stimulus. Eg. Press button, food is taken away.

marcinzm 6y ago

We’ve also seen the last month that police will lie to cover their backsides. Resisting arrest without video evidence to prove it just means they needed a retroactive excuse.

eMSF 6y ago

>Resisting arrest should not lead to death Yes, the world is not perfect in many ways. That does not remove the logical fallacy of implying that because police are (wrongly, as you say) a mortal threat to those who resist arrests, therefore police are one of the biggest threats (if not the threat) in an average black persons life. The recent two cases do not offer convincing evidence for the latter (although other cases may do so). Of course this (particular topic) isn't really a place for arguing for an argument's sake. Rather, it's for showing your compassion.

eloff 6y ago
I think you're correct. They're likely not the biggest threat. That's probably heart disease, cancer, or diabetes in the US. Violence of any kind is way down the list for most people. I don't think they have to be the biggest threat to acknowledge that the police are out of control and above the law. Fix them, or abolish them and recreate them if they can't be fixed. This issue goes well beyond racism. Blacks feel it the most, but this problem affects everybody. Nobody wants police that can steal from you (civil forfeiture) or assault or even kill you without sufficient reason or consequences.

eloff 6y ago

Exactly this. The force used should always match the situation. Deadly force should not be used ever on an unarmed individual. Police should have to face trial if a prosecutor believes a case can be made that the force used was inappropriate - no special protections.