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Well if you don't perform well on interviews then why expect we hand the job to you? These Indians, Chinese, Russians, Brazilian developers are more willing to

Well if you don't perform well on interviews then why expect we hand the job to you? These Indians, Chinese, Russians, Brazilian developers are more willing to grind Leetcode and study until insanity (solving 300 Leetcode problems is not uncommon) and will kill majority of interviews out there. They came here to study hard, from 3rd world countries, and they did it. Study hard, work hard, be smart, and we welcome you to the arena. Oh and by the way, this is not about race, because I've found plenty US born Chinese devs that suck and lazy.

umvi 6y ago
Sure, but when the interviewer is foreign and speaks broken or thickly-accented English that is difficult to understand, I'm going to be disadvantaged (all other things being equal) compared to my H1B competitors who can be chums with the interviewer and reminisce in their mother tongue. It's a self-reinforcing feedback loop.
- christiansakai 6y ago
  Well, this strikes to me as more of an excuse. But even if not. Solution is simple: you reapply. Then apply again then again and again. One of those days you’ll hit non broken English interviewer, and you’ll realize whether you are actually good enough or you still need to work and study harder.
geebee 6y ago
I have no problem with private companies deciding who gets aa job at that company based on leetcode style tests. I have a huge problem with private companies deciding who is allowed to enter work, and remain in the united states based on leetcode style tests. Somehow, private companies have convinced a large share of the US public that a person who opposes corporate control over the immigration system (and an immigrant's life)is somehow "anti-immigrant". It is one of the great PR coups of our era - though, like many campaigns of disinformation and slander, it did get an assist from a number of genuinely anti-immigrant jackasses who vocally criticized the program.
6DM 6y ago
Let's be honest, after passing through ridiculous interview questions and being hired I am frequently disappointed at what's on the other side. I have nothing against foreigners and wish them the best. H1B's are routinely abused and this in turn creates a toxic environment. This only makes the code quality worse as devs rush, creating even more technical debt as they go. Maybe they killed themselves to get here, but I'm not seeing sterling results in their work.
- tartoran 6y ago
  Unfortunately, on average they are seen as cheap replaceable work with no resort to taking abuse. However, amongst them there are quite a few very talented developers. If the system worked properly they would be able to select them better. I work with quite a few H1Bs and the experience has been quite pleasing. However, I can see the abuse they take, the unpaid overtime they put in, because they can’t say no. That may spoil our market and we would soon need to fall in line with them.

umvi 6y ago

Sure, but when the interviewer is foreign and speaks broken or thickly-accented English that is difficult to understand, I'm going to be disadvantaged (all other things being equal) compared to my H1B competitors who can be chums with the interviewer and reminisce in their mother tongue. It's a self-reinforcing feedback loop.

christiansakai 6y ago
Well, this strikes to me as more of an excuse. But even if not. Solution is simple: you reapply. Then apply again then again and again. One of those days you’ll hit non broken English interviewer, and you’ll realize whether you are actually good enough or you still need to work and study harder.

geebee 6y ago

I have no problem with private companies deciding who gets aa job at that company based on leetcode style tests. I have a huge problem with private companies deciding who is allowed to enter work, and remain in the united states based on leetcode style tests. Somehow, private companies have convinced a large share of the US public that a person who opposes corporate control over the immigration system (and an immigrant's life)is somehow "anti-immigrant". It is one of the great PR coups of our era - though, like many campaigns of disinformation and slander, it did get an assist from a number of genuinely anti-immigrant jackasses who vocally criticized the program.

6DM 6y ago

Let's be honest, after passing through ridiculous interview questions and being hired I am frequently disappointed at what's on the other side. I have nothing against foreigners and wish them the best. H1B's are routinely abused and this in turn creates a toxic environment. This only makes the code quality worse as devs rush, creating even more technical debt as they go. Maybe they killed themselves to get here, but I'm not seeing sterling results in their work.

tartoran 6y ago
Unfortunately, on average they are seen as cheap replaceable work with no resort to taking abuse. However, amongst them there are quite a few very talented developers. If the system worked properly they would be able to select them better. I work with quite a few H1Bs and the experience has been quite pleasing. However, I can see the abuse they take, the unpaid overtime they put in, because they can’t say no. That may spoil our market and we would soon need to fall in line with them.