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i think what's wrong with her theory (and any theory involving it being harder for women in the tech industry) is that there isn't any sort of favoritism toward

i think what's wrong with her theory (and any theory involving it being harder for women in the tech industry) is that there isn't any sort of favoritism towards men. Software developers [especially] are very hyper critical and will often make snide remarks about someone while trying to help them in order to entertain themselves so that they don't get distracted while trying to help/communicate with someone. The "recipient" being a woman (therefor largely in the minority) is the low hanging fruit for snide comments. If the women were men, they would also receive a snide comment. The other problem is that in relation to how many developers actually exist, there are very very few that garner any respect just for being who they are. With the ratio's the way they are that means there are virtually no women in these spots. That could make it appear that us male developers only give any respect to other men which isn't the case (well it's at least not a true cause/effect). Anyways I've seen quite a few of these articles/blurbs but have never seen any actual examples of real sexism. Also I tend to have bias against any article that claims to be pro-feminism.

anildash 16y ago
"Anyways I've seen quite a few of these articles/blurbs but have never seen any actual examples of real sexism. Also I tend to have bias against any article that claims to be pro-feminism." Uh, you're saying that, as a male, you haven't seen any sexism, so that means a woman who has experienced sexism is incorrect? Okay, I say you've never been treated unfairly in your life, because I've never seen it happen. Your own experience is insufficient evidence, so don't bother to offer counterarguments. To be clear, your blanket condescending dismissal if someone's own firsthand report of an experience is actually a perfect example of exactly the sort of sexism we're trying to confront.
- Tichy 16y ago
  "Uh, you're saying that, as a male, you haven't seen any sexism, so that means a woman who has experienced sexism is incorrect?" He didn't say that, nowhere in the thread or the article is a woman who claims she has experienced sexism, so he isn't replying to such a claim.
- saranagati 16y ago
  actually i was trying to point out that these articles don't give any specific example of how they were treated in a sexist way. they just say they did not achieve whatever it was they wanted because they were treated in a sexist manner. > To be clear, your blanket condescending dismissal if someone's own firsthand report of an experience is actually a perfect example of exactly the sort of sexism we're trying to confront. This is also what I'm talking about. Even if what I said in the first place was meant the way you read it, it still wouldn't be sexism, it would just be ignorance. Had I have said that something to the affect of "her opinion doesn't matter because she's a woman and women are always way too emotional," then it would be sexist. What I said was that she didn't provide an example of what sexist thing was done to her. Instead she only spoke about how she failed at what she was trying to do and assumed it was because everyone was sexist. Perhaps something sexist actually was done to her; perhaps whoever did it didn't mean for it to be sexist; perhaps me and a bunch of other men do the same thing not realizing its sexist; perhaps women think that something me or any other man does is sexist when we have a completely different reason for doing it? That being said, I'll stop this comment with a mildly sexist comment... Women are always telling men to communicate their feelings with them, so maybe women should start communicating their "facts" more often with men. (i put facts in quotations just to sound even more sexist)

anildash 16y ago

"Anyways I've seen quite a few of these articles/blurbs but have never seen any actual examples of real sexism. Also I tend to have bias against any article that claims to be pro-feminism." Uh, you're saying that, as a male, you haven't seen any sexism, so that means a woman who has experienced sexism is incorrect? Okay, I say you've never been treated unfairly in your life, because I've never seen it happen. Your own experience is insufficient evidence, so don't bother to offer counterarguments. To be clear, your blanket condescending dismissal if someone's own firsthand report of an experience is actually a perfect example of exactly the sort of sexism we're trying to confront.

Tichy 16y ago
"Uh, you're saying that, as a male, you haven't seen any sexism, so that means a woman who has experienced sexism is incorrect?" He didn't say that, nowhere in the thread or the article is a woman who claims she has experienced sexism, so he isn't replying to such a claim.
saranagati 16y ago
actually i was trying to point out that these articles don't give any specific example of how they were treated in a sexist way. they just say they did not achieve whatever it was they wanted because they were treated in a sexist manner. > To be clear, your blanket condescending dismissal if someone's own firsthand report of an experience is actually a perfect example of exactly the sort of sexism we're trying to confront. This is also what I'm talking about. Even if what I said in the first place was meant the way you read it, it still wouldn't be sexism, it would just be ignorance. Had I have said that something to the affect of "her opinion doesn't matter because she's a woman and women are always way too emotional," then it would be sexist. What I said was that she didn't provide an example of what sexist thing was done to her. Instead she only spoke about how she failed at what she was trying to do and assumed it was because everyone was sexist. Perhaps something sexist actually was done to her; perhaps whoever did it didn't mean for it to be sexist; perhaps me and a bunch of other men do the same thing not realizing its sexist; perhaps women think that something me or any other man does is sexist when we have a completely different reason for doing it? That being said, I'll stop this comment with a mildly sexist comment... Women are always telling men to communicate their feelings with them, so maybe women should start communicating their "facts" more often with men. (i put facts in quotations just to sound even more sexist)