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Further: > We’ve long been interested in recruiting students who have some prior experience with information technology, such as an internship, an in-depth pr
by core-questions 6y ago
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> We’ve long been interested in recruiting students who have some prior experience with information technology, such as an internship, an in-depth project, or participation in an after school or summer program. These are an indicator that a student might understand what we teach, has an interest in what we might teach, and has invested time in that interest. But what seems like an innocuous indicator, is actually racist. How would Black students around Washington state access any of these extracurricular activities?
Another fantastic example of soft bigotry. Yes, Amy, how indeed would a Black student access one of these things? It's not like you can buy a complete computer for $25, or access reams of free information online, or in the library, or at local clubs, or in your "chronically underfunded" school which still somehow manages to have a computer lab.
> nearly all after school programs that would develop Black students’ interest in computing are prohibitively expensive
And yet if you look at the ranks of people who actually are talented within CS and IT, the vast majority of them have a large component of their education which is self-taught; these programs are wholly unnecessary to a person who actually finds a keen interest in their heart for this discipline. Back in the 80s, plenty of people learned this with far less access (more expensive computers, no Internet, having to survive off of library books and discarded PC Magazines and so forth). To pretend like it's inaccessible to Black youth today is to discredit them and to discredit the work of everyone who has contributed their time to making so much information, code, and content freely available.
> All of these inequities are due to racial bias in public and private investments in K-12 CS education
Asserted with no evidence. What can be asserted with evidence, of course, are a hundred years worth of psychometric research that indicates a critical IQ gap between population groups, that persists despite every effort in education; but this is the most uncomfortable truth of our day, despite having critical explanatory power that literally nothing Amy Ko says can even approach.
> While most teachers may not see themselves as racist, I have heard high school CS teachers say “Well Black students don’t seem to be interested” or “My Black students don’t do as well in CS.”
What if this is simply a true statement? What if these teachers are trying their honest, un-prejudiced, anti-racist best, and the result is the same? What do we do then, if we still want to be good people that aren't driven by hate, if we still want to give everyone a chance? What if it actually just _doesn't work_, Amy? Because it sure seems like it doesn't.
> What do they experience in classes and the broader learning community? Many of our Black students have been quite clear to me that their experience is largely defined by who is in our community: mostly White and Asian students who’ve had a lifetime of privileged access to computers, to learning opportunities related to technology, to a social network that understands and values technology; and mostly White and Asian faculty (like myself), who’ve largely had the same privileges.
Say privilege again. Each time you do, you deny the hard work that someone has done. The hard work of the parents and the grandparents of the people in her geographic area, the people who have been their before her family, who have paid taxes that helped to build and subsidize these schools for decades. Each time you say it, you deny the work of the actual students involved, who don't just cruise through their life absorbing everything for free; they too have had to study, have had to sacrifice other opportunities. Because there cannot be an infinite number of people in the school, Ko is essentially saying there are students there who should not be, students who should be removed in order to make room for others, on the basis of skin color, even despite their hard work and commitment. Astounding.
- core-questions 6y agoFurther: > They often have less shared cultural knowledge with their instructors, meaning they often encounter lectures, problem sets, and exam questions that use cultural references they may not know, unfairly resulting in lower grades. Is this unfair? A culture exists - we cannot "de-culturalize" every single thing in our society in the hopes that it somehow overcomes this problem. I also find this to be a flimsy excuse, particularly when it comes to CS, because most of the questions are very abstract and separated from culture or normal human affairs. When they are phrased in cultural terms, more than anything it is an attempt to use metaphor or parable to make an abstract topic more accessible to people, not the other way around. > But it’s not just students and faculty, but the content of classes as well. Despite abundant research from Black scholars on computing and information, most of what they will read is written by White men who say nothing of racism; most of the technologies they learn were made by White men that believe technology is neutral. Yes, this is generally what White people believe. There have never been any laws that prevented a Black person from buying a computer, from writing a program, from posting on the Internet - in fact, we wouldn't even know if you were white or black or any other flavour of person online unless you reveal it and make that into the subject of discussion. > Ignoring this is a kind of educational gaslighting, as if we’re saying the racism they’re experiencing doesn’t actually exist. This sentence itself is gaslighting: she's establishing without evidence that all of the White (and Asian, and Jewish, and so forth) contributors to computer science are racist - through the omission of a racial narrative from their textbooks! Once again, with this sort of view, it is shown that it is simply impossible for a White person to be compliant; you can't be not a racist; even if you've done your absolute best to never comment on the subject whatsoever you're still 'gaslighting' people of color somehow, in a way you cannot rectify. If you ask what you're doing wrong, you've just committed the Kafakaesque sin of not knowing what you've done wrong, like a person in a failed relationship arguing with their partner. > The only way to explain these discrepancies in students’ in and out of class experiences is that the program is designed for the White and Asian students majority—by me, and my faculty. No, that's not the only way. Again, asserted with no evidence; meanwhile it's easy for anyone to see the anti-intellectual bent that is predominant amongst the lower classes (you're "acting white" if you spend your time on the computer, and so forth). This, coupled with the aforementioned psychometric situation, makes it easy to predict the "in and out of class experience" of someone who is barely staying above the water line in their program, who may know they're only in their class because of an affirmative action or other quota mechanism, and worse, who know that their peers know this, and will never afford them respect because of their knowledge that you wouldn't be there if it wasn't for such a program. Makes it even more difficult for the Black person who actually does get into the program 100% on their own merits without any requirement for the admissions program to bump them up for diversity's sake, too.