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I wasn't aware that our government was currently being run by white supremacists. Do you have a source?

by pentae 6y ago

akuchling 6y ago
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-calls-for-stephen-miller-to-leave-white-house https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-... "For almost three decades, Jared Taylor has been publishing his ideas about race at the American Renaissance magazine and now at a website called AmRen, which is considered a mouthpiece for white supremacist ideology. ... The website is not well-known outside white nationalist circles — but it found an audience in White House adviser Stephen Miller."
- slowmotiony 6y ago
  So Stephen Miller is a white supremacist now? He must be hiding it pretty well, since I've heard through hundreds of hours of his podcast with Raheem Kasam and he has never said anything remotely racist.
  - tomjakubowski 6y ago
    Stephen Miller, the one working in the White House, doesn't host any podcast. You are thinking of Jason Miller.
    - slowmotiony 6y ago
      You're right, sorry about that one.
  - compuguy 6y ago
    Last time I checked there is quite a lot of evidence pointing to him being a white supremacist: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/katie-mchugh-stephen-miller/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/katie-mchugh-stephen...
    - slowmotiony 6y ago
      Thanks for the link, I confused him with the chief strategist of trump campaign Jason Miller.
- qazpot 6y ago
  To be fair the bar to be considered a white supermacist is very low in today's political correctness environment.
  - prezjordan 6y ago
    And what is your evidence of that?
    - leereeves 6y ago
      The bar is so low that Jewish (like Stephen Miller) and even black (e.g. Ben Carson, Candace Owens) people are frequently called white supremacists. So low that people saying "It's ok to be white" were called white supremacists. Does the term have any meaning now, or has it become simply a slur for anyone whose political beliefs differ, like "communist" or "terrorist" before it?
      - joubert 6y ago
        Agreed that there's risk in overuse which can lead to numbness for the real thing. In some ways, I'd argue we should then be even more vigilant because white supremacist rhetoric / apologist sentiment and actions are having an easier time to hide behind the veils of fuzziness. One comment though: you do not have to be white to be a white supremacist. White supremacy is the belief that white people are superior to people of other races, and should thus dominate them. We see this pattern in other arenas too, e.g. gays and homophobia or women and gender bias.
    - dx87 6y ago
      I've personally been accused of being a neo-nazi on reddit because my username includes the number 88, which is only there because my wife's birth year is 1988 and I'm not creative enough to think of a unique name. I've seen the same frivolous accusations thrown around here as well.
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- andrewla 6y ago
  This has no sources other than the SPLC's analysis of some leaked emails and selective quotations from them [1]. The SPLC has further examinations as well [2]. Look at the out-of-context quotes given in the first link and decide for yourself whether this is enough to justify a charge of being a white supremecist, even given that the article is explicitly dedicated to working towards that conclusion. Don't just take their word for it. I'll gladly concede that Miller is anti-immigration to the point of being xenophobic, but white supremecist is a huge stretch. [1] https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... [2] https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-miller-breitbart-emails https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-miller-breitbart-emails
- nbardy 6y ago
  The bar for proving that "America is run by white supremacists" needs to be a lot higher than, one guy in the white house reads a blog.
etrabroline 6y ago
Many foreigners seeking to immigrate to the US see anything short of total open boarders as white supremacy. Americans caring about, protecting and developing our own workforce is the great evil of our day.
- xienze 6y ago
  Funny though that you see a muuuch more receptive tone to H1B limits here on HN compared to say, a story about American manufacturing going overseas. Quite interesting how one’s perspective on outsourcing changes when it’s YOUR livelihood being threatened.
  - etrabroline 6y ago
    If millions of Americans were moving to India and taking up huge numbers of the top university spots and jobs, Indians would call it white supremacy, and they'd be right.
    - goatinaboat 6y ago
      Indians would call it white supremacy, and they'd be right. What’s it called when the Indian government puts the needs of Indian people first? Very few countries, the US being one, even care very much about non-citizens to start with.
- hogFeast 6y ago
  What is also funny is that settled immigrants often have more right-wing views about immigration than people born into that society. This doesn't appear to happen in the US because of the history and the significant levels of illegal immigration today but, where I am, the group most in favour of controls on migration are settled immigrants. It seems very odd to say limiting immigration is white supremacy. The US has a huge illegal immigration problem, being in favour of immigration is being in favour of controls. There is no realistic alternative (I get why Democracts want more voters...but speaking non-politically).
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SuperFerret 6y ago
Donald Trump
hedora 6y ago
Here are 6 sources. Different incidents, different news organizations. There are hundreds more, but I got bored. Hell, his campaign was running an ad with the Nazi pink triangle (like the gold star, but for gays and liberals) last week. That didn’t even make my list. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/white-supremacists-cheer-trump-racist-tweets-soh/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/white-supremacists-c... https://www.npr.org/2019/06/23/735191317/white-supremacy-and-trump https://www.npr.org/2019/06/23/735191317/white-supremacy-and... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-embraces-white-supremacy/579745/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-e... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/opinion/trump-white-supremacist.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/opinion/trump-white-supre... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/11/el-paso-shooting-white-supremacy-8chan-voter-suppression https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/11/el-paso-shoo... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/donald-trump-jr-rifle-magazine-shows-hillary-clinton-cross.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/donald-trump-jr-rifle-magazi...
joubert 6y ago
We should remind ourselves that white supremacy is the belief that white people are superior to people of other races, and that white people should thus be dominant over them. In academics, white supremacy is a term to denote a system of structural racism which privileges white people over others, whether or not there's racial hatred. You do not have to be white to be a white supremacist. We can then critically evaluate what the current presidency and their network of advisers and influencers say and do. Some of the rhetoric and actions fall along lines other than white supremacy (e.g. xenophobia, nationalism, etc.), while others are less veiled. Let's open our eyes, turn a mirror, and ask ourselves some hard questions: do I believe white people are superior? Do I benefit from a system that does and do I think anything should be done about it?

I wasn't aware that our government was currently being run by white supremacists. Do you have a source?

by pentae 6y ago

I wasn't aware that our government was currently being run by white supremacists. Do you have a source?

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-calls-for-stephen-miller-to-leave-white-house https://www.npr.org/2019/11/26/783047584/leaked-emails-fuel-... "For almost three decades, Jared Taylor has been publishing his ideas about race at the American Renaissance magazine and now at a website called AmRen, which is considered a mouthpiece for white supremacist ideology. ... The website is not well-known outside white nationalist circles — but it found an audience in White House adviser Stephen Miller."

slowmotiony 6y ago
So Stephen Miller is a white supremacist now? He must be hiding it pretty well, since I've heard through hundreds of hours of his podcast with Raheem Kasam and he has never said anything remotely racist.
- tomjakubowski 6y ago
  Stephen Miller, the one working in the White House, doesn't host any podcast. You are thinking of Jason Miller.
  - slowmotiony 6y ago
    You're right, sorry about that one.
- compuguy 6y ago
  Last time I checked there is quite a lot of evidence pointing to him being a white supremacist: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/katie-mchugh-stephen-miller/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/katie-mchugh-stephen...
  - slowmotiony 6y ago
    Thanks for the link, I confused him with the chief strategist of trump campaign Jason Miller.
qazpot 6y ago
To be fair the bar to be considered a white supermacist is very low in today's political correctness environment.
- prezjordan 6y ago
  And what is your evidence of that?
  - leereeves 6y ago
    The bar is so low that Jewish (like Stephen Miller) and even black (e.g. Ben Carson, Candace Owens) people are frequently called white supremacists. So low that people saying "It's ok to be white" were called white supremacists. Does the term have any meaning now, or has it become simply a slur for anyone whose political beliefs differ, like "communist" or "terrorist" before it?
    - joubert 6y ago
      Agreed that there's risk in overuse which can lead to numbness for the real thing. In some ways, I'd argue we should then be even more vigilant because white supremacist rhetoric / apologist sentiment and actions are having an easier time to hide behind the veils of fuzziness. One comment though: you do not have to be white to be a white supremacist. White supremacy is the belief that white people are superior to people of other races, and should thus dominate them. We see this pattern in other arenas too, e.g. gays and homophobia or women and gender bias.
  - dx87 6y ago
    I've personally been accused of being a neo-nazi on reddit because my username includes the number 88, which is only there because my wife's birth year is 1988 and I'm not creative enough to think of a unique name. I've seen the same frivolous accusations thrown around here as well.
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andrewla 6y ago
This has no sources other than the SPLC's analysis of some leaked emails and selective quotations from them [1]. The SPLC has further examinations as well [2]. Look at the out-of-context quotes given in the first link and decide for yourself whether this is enough to justify a charge of being a white supremecist, even given that the article is explicitly dedicated to working towards that conclusion. Don't just take their word for it. I'll gladly concede that Miller is anti-immigration to the point of being xenophobic, but white supremecist is a huge stretch. [1] https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... [2] https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-miller-breitbart-emails https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-miller-breitbart-emails
nbardy 6y ago
The bar for proving that "America is run by white supremacists" needs to be a lot higher than, one guy in the white house reads a blog.

etrabroline 6y ago

Many foreigners seeking to immigrate to the US see anything short of total open boarders as white supremacy. Americans caring about, protecting and developing our own workforce is the great evil of our day.

xienze 6y ago
Funny though that you see a muuuch more receptive tone to H1B limits here on HN compared to say, a story about American manufacturing going overseas. Quite interesting how one’s perspective on outsourcing changes when it’s YOUR livelihood being threatened.
- etrabroline 6y ago
  If millions of Americans were moving to India and taking up huge numbers of the top university spots and jobs, Indians would call it white supremacy, and they'd be right.
  - goatinaboat 6y ago
    Indians would call it white supremacy, and they'd be right. What’s it called when the Indian government puts the needs of Indian people first? Very few countries, the US being one, even care very much about non-citizens to start with.
hogFeast 6y ago
What is also funny is that settled immigrants often have more right-wing views about immigration than people born into that society. This doesn't appear to happen in the US because of the history and the significant levels of illegal immigration today but, where I am, the group most in favour of controls on migration are settled immigrants. It seems very odd to say limiting immigration is white supremacy. The US has a huge illegal immigration problem, being in favour of immigration is being in favour of controls. There is no realistic alternative (I get why Democracts want more voters...but speaking non-politically).
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SuperFerret 6y ago

Donald Trump

hedora 6y ago

Here are 6 sources. Different incidents, different news organizations. There are hundreds more, but I got bored. Hell, his campaign was running an ad with the Nazi pink triangle (like the gold star, but for gays and liberals) last week. That didn’t even make my list. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/white-supremacists-cheer-trump-racist-tweets-soh/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/white-supremacists-c... https://www.npr.org/2019/06/23/735191317/white-supremacy-and-trump https://www.npr.org/2019/06/23/735191317/white-supremacy-and... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-embraces-white-supremacy/579745/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/01/trump-e... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/opinion/trump-white-supremacist.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/opinion/trump-white-supre... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/11/el-paso-shooting-white-supremacy-8chan-voter-suppression https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/11/el-paso-shoo... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/donald-trump-jr-rifle-magazine-shows-hillary-clinton-cross.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/donald-trump-jr-rifle-magazi...

joubert 6y ago

We should remind ourselves that white supremacy is the belief that white people are superior to people of other races, and that white people should thus be dominant over them. In academics, white supremacy is a term to denote a system of structural racism which privileges white people over others, whether or not there's racial hatred. You do not have to be white to be a white supremacist. We can then critically evaluate what the current presidency and their network of advisers and influencers say and do. Some of the rhetoric and actions fall along lines other than white supremacy (e.g. xenophobia, nationalism, etc.), while others are less veiled. Let's open our eyes, turn a mirror, and ask ourselves some hard questions: do I believe white people are superior? Do I benefit from a system that does and do I think anything should be done about it?