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It's sure worth handing guns to everyone for defense. If everyone is armed that really makes the world a safer place. How else could you e.g shoot somebody to d
by fileeditview 6y ago
It's sure worth handing guns to everyone for defense. If everyone is armed that really makes the world a safer place. How else could you e.g shoot somebody to defend your parking spot? /s
But seriously.. do you have been to Europe? You need to visit some very extreme areas to be in real danger. What you describe is pure hyperbole.
- greenhatglack 6y agoMost working class in Europe live in "extreme" areas also "not-wanted-to-be-officially-known-as-no-go" zones. Lol, I love how you question if I've live/d there, like the complete inability to take in information that might not be fit to your world view.
- hef19898 6y agoI don't know of any no-go zones. Sure, some areas in larger cities tend to be more dangerous than others. But still far from no-go zones. No idea where this information comes from.
- pnako 6y agoIn France, there are definitely a few. There are places where even the fire brigade gets attacked. That's why they're called "no-go zones". The police can still go there but only with heavy means; you can't just send a random police car with two cops there, you need special units in riot gear. The French term commonly used in the media is "zones de non droit" meaning "areas outside of the law" or sometimes, perhaps more politically charged, "territoire perdus de la république" (the republic's lost territories). Officially they are known under various names that start with "zone". Currently the official term is "zones de sécurité prioritaire" (areas of priority security). Those areas generally correspond to the areas that most countries warn about in their advice to travelers when it comes to France. They exist in other European countries as well under similar names.
- hef19898 6y agoInteresting. My wife is french, never really about that. Also, Berlin is assumed to have some. I drank beer in bar in one of those once. Found about it later. So, I assume a lot of propaganda around that?
- pnako 6y agoWhy would it be propaganda? Is it inconceivable for you that such places could exist?
- hef19898 6y agoSo, all of these places I saw portrait as such in media, mostly conservative to right leaning ones in Europe, or FOX news, turned out to be no no-go areas in reality. Using footage from demonstrations that got out of hand, civil unrest at one point and overblown as well as wrongly cited numbers are all that is to that. And yes, in Europe there is no such thing as no-go zone where police don't go and all you have is anarchy.
- pnako 6y agoThis is a speech on Islamic separatism in France, by current President Macron (in French, obviously): https://www.elysee.fr/emmanuel-macron/2020/02/18/proteger-les-libertes-en-luttant-contre-le-separatisme-islamiste-conference-de-presse-du-president-emmanuel-macron-a-mulhouse https://www.elysee.fr/emmanuel-macron/2020/02/18/proteger-le... He is using multiple times the expression "quartiers de reconquête républicaine" ("suburbs for the Republic to re-conquer"). If the President of a country considers he needs to reconquer parts of his own country, don't you think there is a bit of a problem, beyond whatever Fox News might say?
- hef19898 6y agoI think you are missing very important nuance there. But since you are so familiar with French politics, you will figure it out.
- mrmonkeyman 6y agoNetherlands or Hungary? Europe is enormously diverse.
- ska 6y ago> Most working class in Europe live in "extreme" areas also "not-wanted-to-be-officially-known-as-no-go" zones. This is clearly not true in general.
- sudosysgen 6y agoThere is not a single place in Europe that comes even close to the danger of Detroit or Chicago or New York.