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In order to stop pollution we need to invest money in an alternative, you simply can’t stop the economy to prevent pollution, Covid-19 style, forever and expect

In order to stop pollution we need to invest money in an alternative, you simply can’t stop the economy to prevent pollution, Covid-19 style, forever and expect society not to regress to pre-industrial revolution. Hence, in order to fund an alternative you need the funds to fund an alternative, which necessitates not spending limited tax payer dollars on limited impact science experiments. From my comment elsewhere: spending 20bn+ on lifting people out of poverty or combatting climate change is a much more worthy recipient of tax payer dollars

simion314 6y ago
CERN invented the WWW, WWW lifted people from poverty like me that I work from a village in a third world country as a developer. Maybe the super magnets,detectors, software, mathematics and who knows anti-mater or black holdes could also have a similar effect as WWW. There is a lot of money in he world that is pent in entertainment industry so make a carbon tax or invent some economic mumbo-jumbo to grab a percent from there and force electric car investments or fusion reactors. Take Apple money and should be enough
- aronpye 6y ago
  I’ll grant you that HTTP and HTML technologies did come out of CERN, but access to clean water and a sewage system amongst other things is what lifted you out of poverty. It’s no good having access to cat memes if you’re dying from dysentery. Developed countries were out of extreme poverty long before the internet and WWW was invented. Besides, issues like climate change and resource contention will disproportionately affect impoverished countries. I think combatting those issues is a higher priority than investigating particle physics with no immediate or apparent benefit. Would you rather use that money for a particle accelerator or give everyone access to clean water?
  - simion314 6y ago
    Clean water, sewage, central hearing etc are not free, without a good paying job there are still people that have the toilet outside, do not have running water and use wood for heating. So is a combination of more factors like local economy and government to grow and build roads,bring internet and natural gas but you also need the individuals to afford paying for those. The web helped a lot and if you see the remote working that is happening now you can't deny that CERN had a giant contribution. 1 Maybe the issue is not that CERN proposes this things but the fusion guys are not united in a big collaboration as CERN is.

simion314 6y ago

CERN invented the WWW, WWW lifted people from poverty like me that I work from a village in a third world country as a developer. Maybe the super magnets,detectors, software, mathematics and who knows anti-mater or black holdes could also have a similar effect as WWW. There is a lot of money in he world that is pent in entertainment industry so make a carbon tax or invent some economic mumbo-jumbo to grab a percent from there and force electric car investments or fusion reactors. Take Apple money and should be enough

aronpye 6y ago
I’ll grant you that HTTP and HTML technologies did come out of CERN, but access to clean water and a sewage system amongst other things is what lifted you out of poverty. It’s no good having access to cat memes if you’re dying from dysentery. Developed countries were out of extreme poverty long before the internet and WWW was invented. Besides, issues like climate change and resource contention will disproportionately affect impoverished countries. I think combatting those issues is a higher priority than investigating particle physics with no immediate or apparent benefit. Would you rather use that money for a particle accelerator or give everyone access to clean water?
- simion314 6y ago
  Clean water, sewage, central hearing etc are not free, without a good paying job there are still people that have the toilet outside, do not have running water and use wood for heating. So is a combination of more factors like local economy and government to grow and build roads,bring internet and natural gas but you also need the individuals to afford paying for those. The web helped a lot and if you see the remote working that is happening now you can't deny that CERN had a giant contribution. 1 Maybe the issue is not that CERN proposes this things but the fusion guys are not united in a big collaboration as CERN is.