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Which other languages are you fluent with? I find many that love PHP have a bit of a "when all you've got is a hammer" bias in favor of it. I had the same! The

by cies 6y ago

Which other languages are you fluent with? I find many that love PHP have a bit of a "when all you've got is a hammer" bias in favor of it. I had the same! Then I invested in learning some Haskell/ Elm/ Reason/ Rust/ Kotlin: it changed my preferences for ever. I now look for proper sum types and (pattern) matchers, strong typing discipline and null safety.

purerandomness 6y ago
I totally agree with what you're saying. While PHP is still a joke compared to even Java which it very hard tries to become (which I think is a good thing), for someone who only knew PHP the entire time, the situation still got much, much better over the last decade...
weego 6y ago
I use Scala, Typescript, R, some Go and some Swift daily and have been using typed languages for 20 years+ and would still recommend PHP to someone wanting to throw together a brochureware site for the best cost/hassle ratio. Almost no one is solving FANG problems, and people literally throw their clients/businesses money away on poor value because they've lost focus on what's important: delivering a solution for what they need right now, not what you want to spend your time playing with. Also what is the big deal with type safe templates when you're literally just abstracting building HTML strings?
hazz99 6y ago
I am someone using React, NextJS and Typescript who really wishes they went with Symfony. It'd be so much simpler. I've heard you can combine React with Symfony, which sounds really cool.
- cies 6y ago
  You may want to try some more functional languages to complement your experience: Reason/OCaml/F#/Haskel/Elm/PureScript or even the more OO ones that copy some features over: Rust or Kotlin. React is not a language. TypeScript is very close to PHP, both in imperativeness, in OO-ness, in did-not-initially-support-it-but-sometimes-added-it-later-but-now-its-a-mess-ness, in BW-compatible-ness, in quirkiness.
  - hazz99 6y ago
    I’ve (informally) taught Haskell and I’ve used Elm/Erlang/Elixir/etc. I absolutely love functional programming and definitely regard it as the “ideal future”, but it’s not ready today. Especially the ecosystem. I know React is not a language, but I listed the whole stack to compare it to IHP, which seems to try to combine everything. Which is good! I’d love a Django/RoR esque Haskell platform.

by cies 6y ago

purerandomness 6y ago

I totally agree with what you're saying. While PHP is still a joke compared to even Java which it very hard tries to become (which I think is a good thing), for someone who only knew PHP the entire time, the situation still got much, much better over the last decade...

weego 6y ago

I use Scala, Typescript, R, some Go and some Swift daily and have been using typed languages for 20 years+ and would still recommend PHP to someone wanting to throw together a brochureware site for the best cost/hassle ratio. Almost no one is solving FANG problems, and people literally throw their clients/businesses money away on poor value because they've lost focus on what's important: delivering a solution for what they need right now, not what you want to spend your time playing with. Also what is the big deal with type safe templates when you're literally just abstracting building HTML strings?

hazz99 6y ago

I am someone using React, NextJS and Typescript who really wishes they went with Symfony. It'd be so much simpler. I've heard you can combine React with Symfony, which sounds really cool.

cies 6y ago
You may want to try some more functional languages to complement your experience: Reason/OCaml/F#/Haskel/Elm/PureScript or even the more OO ones that copy some features over: Rust or Kotlin. React is not a language. TypeScript is very close to PHP, both in imperativeness, in OO-ness, in did-not-initially-support-it-but-sometimes-added-it-later-but-now-its-a-mess-ness, in BW-compatible-ness, in quirkiness.
- hazz99 6y ago
  I’ve (informally) taught Haskell and I’ve used Elm/Erlang/Elixir/etc. I absolutely love functional programming and definitely regard it as the “ideal future”, but it’s not ready today. Especially the ecosystem. I know React is not a language, but I listed the whole stack to compare it to IHP, which seems to try to combine everything. Which is good! I’d love a Django/RoR esque Haskell platform.