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That's not the reality of H1B. The reality of H1B is a recruiting industry completely dominated by Indian headhunters, who submit only Indians and not native U.

That's not the reality of H1B. The reality of H1B is a recruiting industry completely dominated by Indian headhunters, who submit only Indians and not native U.S. citizens to their corporate clients. Followed by Indian H1B recipients then moving into two or three bedroom apartments they share with 10 - 15 H1B visa recipients, everyone splitting the rent and utilities, and sending the majority of their cash back to India. U.S. workers in the engineering and technical disciplines cannot compete with H1B visa applicants who are submitted at probably 30% market rates and wages, and openly discriminate in the work place if you're the token white dude U.S. citizen working in the same office. H1B is miserable, corporate welfare for Zuckerberg and Bezos.

tracer4201 6y ago
Some of this has some merit, but Zuckerberg and Bezos are actually paying the same salaries... 24 year olds making in excess of $200K, and senior engineering roles $300-$400k, with Amazon on the lower end. These aren’t 10 people living in one apartment to send all their money to India. That part of your post is misinformed.
- GregoryVPerry 6y ago
  There is no question H1B visa holders can escalate through the ranks and make a bunch of cash in the United States. And that's exactly what is wrong with the entire thing. That entire teams of Indian H1B visa holders will immediately get whitey off the project, every single time, while making sure that the hiring manager and technical team leads are always Indian. This is the caste system, re-invented here the U.S. And you cannot get shit done if you are a competent engineer dealing with an offshore team or onshore H1B team. They will not do what you tell them to do. They will argue about every single point. They will trash your credibility and refuse to implement anything, using groupthink that controls the entire project. Managing a team of onshore H1B workers is nothing but interoffice politics that they completely control in all aspects. It's blatantly racist and has destroyed U.S. worker opportunity in the engineering fields, all of them. H1B is a complete scam, especially in the Beltway / Northern Virginia area where everything is a billable contract. Headhunters get their fee and/or a large chunk of the first year's hourly revenue. The company hiring the H1B worker is on some federal project or grant and is making the spread between what the headhunter charges and the hourly rate on the contract. The hiring company couldn't give a shit less about the quality of work provided by Indian H1B workers, nor is a college degree granted from an Indian university anywhere near what is required in the U.S. from an engineering perspective - there is no comparison in the quality of education, nor have I ever met a single H1B engineer that was better than anything but a limited segment of technology that they specialize in, by design, because that requires their team in order to complete the project. Makes total sense if you're the headhunter and hiring company, both of whom only care about having a warm body in a seat that is billable, and you can get three warm bodies in the seat for the price of one market rate position using H1B. It's complete bullshit, a scam on the taxpayer and attack on U.S. workers. Worthless 99% of the time, and the 1% of H1B engineers that actually do know what they are doing are not worth the damage the H1B program has done to the entire U.S. technical space.
- dominotw 6y ago
  but with h1b you aren't getting the same employee though. You are getting an employee who doesn't have much freedom to switch his job, doesn't have leverage to negotiate a raise, cannot say no to overtime requests. I would def hire an H1B even it costs me upfront premium for those reasons.
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  - theshadowmonkey 6y ago
    How is this true? H1B employees can freely move jobs, with a small delay in moving visas.
    - dominotw 6y ago
      > H1B employees can freely move jobs No they cannot, this causes issues with their perm processing. You need to find an employer that can sponser your greencard otherwise you are out of country in 6 yrs. So you not just have find an employer that will transfer your h1b but also pick up perm processing from your previous employer. More info here, https://www.murthy.com/2019/12/26/how-a-job-changes-may-impact-your-approved-i-140/ https://www.murthy.com/2019/12/26/how-a-job-changes-may-impa... This is just one example. It is far far far away from 'freely'. Given the arbitrary nature of uscis processing people try to minimize their iteraction with the agency. No visa employee will attempt this risky move for a 10k salary bump.
      - theshadowmonkey 6y ago
        You just need one perm and 140 approval. And most companies are ready to start processing your green card in 3-6 months after you start at the latest. It is not as convenient as getting up tomorrow and walking away. But, it is definitely not as dire as you seem to be.
    - chillacy 6y ago
      I don't know the truthfulness of the claim but I've spoken with several colleagues on H1B and they were all very reluctant to take any risks due to their visa status. But I also know others who have gone on to change companies for the better.
empath75 6y ago
US tech workers are making a fortune and I don’t think I’ve ever worried about my job being replaced by someone from India. I don’t even have a college degree.
- GregoryVPerry 6y ago
  You are full of shit, U.S. workers have been absolutely displaced by absurd low cost engineering H1B from India. Just because you suck up to Aadesh to keep your job doesn't give validity to the fact that entire H1B corporations are taking over U.S. companies and then holding them hostage, because once you migrate your entire infrastructure over to HCL you are then completely fucked and held over their barrel of control over all technical operations. These Indian onshore companies literally take over entire tech departments and then give the finger to whitey who's worked there for a decade or more, and it's always a corporate decision by some dumbfuck CEO with zero tech chops that does this while getting blowjobs from Abha in the exec washroom. H1B is fucking bullshit.
  - dang 6y ago
    Your recent comments have been breaking the site guidelines past the point of vandalism. I'm taking that as an indication that you don't want to use HN as intended, so have banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
Bhilai 6y ago
Wow, your views cannot be more misinformed.
- GregoryVPerry 6y ago
  Great, thanks for your one line nothing.
abc_lisper 6y ago
As an Indian on H-1B, most of your views are correct, except 30% market rate. Discrimination is there, but not rampant, or significant. There are pockets of discrimination in bigcos.
GregoryVPerry 6y ago
YC is fucking bullshit, what is a flagged post? This has upvotes, not downvotes, but based on "flagged post" this doesn't show up unless I login? My post again, and stop flagging it you angry H1B workers that leave 20 pairs of shoes outside of your hovel: ----- There is no question H1B visa holders can escalate through the ranks and make a bunch of cash in the United States. And that's exactly what is wrong with the entire thing. That entire teams of Indian H1B visa holders will immediately get whitey off the project, every single time, while making sure that the hiring manager and technical team leads are always Indian. This is the caste system, re-invented here the U.S. And you cannot get shit done if you are a competent engineer dealing with an offshore team or onshore H1B team. They will not do what you tell them to do. They will argue about every single point. They will trash your credibility and refuse to implement anything, using groupthink that controls the entire project. Managing a team of onshore H1B workers is nothing but interoffice politics that they completely control in all aspects. It's blatantly racist and has destroyed U.S. worker opportunity in the engineering fields, all of them. H1B is a complete scam, especially in the Beltway / Northern Virginia area where everything is a billable contract. Headhunters get their fee and/or a large chunk of the first year's hourly revenue. The company hiring the H1B worker is on some federal project or grant and is making the spread between what the headhunter charges and the hourly rate on the contract. The hiring company couldn't give a shit less about the quality of work provided by Indian H1B workers, nor is a college degree granted from an Indian university anywhere near what is required in the U.S. from an engineering perspective - there is no comparison in the quality of education, nor have I ever met a single H1B engineer that was better than anything but a limited segment of technology that they specialize in, by design, because that requires their team in order to complete the project. Makes total sense if you're the headhunter and hiring company, both of whom only care about having a warm body in a seat that is billable, and you can get three warm bodies in the seat for the price of one market rate position using H1B. It's complete bullshit, a scam on the taxpayer and attack on U.S. workers. Worthless 99% of the time, and the 1% of H1B engineers that actually do know what they are doing are not worth the damage the H1B program has done to the entire U.S. technical space.

tracer4201 6y ago

Some of this has some merit, but Zuckerberg and Bezos are actually paying the same salaries... 24 year olds making in excess of $200K, and senior engineering roles $300-$400k, with Amazon on the lower end. These aren’t 10 people living in one apartment to send all their money to India. That part of your post is misinformed.

GregoryVPerry 6y ago
There is no question H1B visa holders can escalate through the ranks and make a bunch of cash in the United States. And that's exactly what is wrong with the entire thing. That entire teams of Indian H1B visa holders will immediately get whitey off the project, every single time, while making sure that the hiring manager and technical team leads are always Indian. This is the caste system, re-invented here the U.S. And you cannot get shit done if you are a competent engineer dealing with an offshore team or onshore H1B team. They will not do what you tell them to do. They will argue about every single point. They will trash your credibility and refuse to implement anything, using groupthink that controls the entire project. Managing a team of onshore H1B workers is nothing but interoffice politics that they completely control in all aspects. It's blatantly racist and has destroyed U.S. worker opportunity in the engineering fields, all of them. H1B is a complete scam, especially in the Beltway / Northern Virginia area where everything is a billable contract. Headhunters get their fee and/or a large chunk of the first year's hourly revenue. The company hiring the H1B worker is on some federal project or grant and is making the spread between what the headhunter charges and the hourly rate on the contract. The hiring company couldn't give a shit less about the quality of work provided by Indian H1B workers, nor is a college degree granted from an Indian university anywhere near what is required in the U.S. from an engineering perspective - there is no comparison in the quality of education, nor have I ever met a single H1B engineer that was better than anything but a limited segment of technology that they specialize in, by design, because that requires their team in order to complete the project. Makes total sense if you're the headhunter and hiring company, both of whom only care about having a warm body in a seat that is billable, and you can get three warm bodies in the seat for the price of one market rate position using H1B. It's complete bullshit, a scam on the taxpayer and attack on U.S. workers. Worthless 99% of the time, and the 1% of H1B engineers that actually do know what they are doing are not worth the damage the H1B program has done to the entire U.S. technical space.
dominotw 6y ago
but with h1b you aren't getting the same employee though. You are getting an employee who doesn't have much freedom to switch his job, doesn't have leverage to negotiate a raise, cannot say no to overtime requests. I would def hire an H1B even it costs me upfront premium for those reasons.
- deleted 6y ago
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- theshadowmonkey 6y ago
  How is this true? H1B employees can freely move jobs, with a small delay in moving visas.
  - dominotw 6y ago
    > H1B employees can freely move jobs No they cannot, this causes issues with their perm processing. You need to find an employer that can sponser your greencard otherwise you are out of country in 6 yrs. So you not just have find an employer that will transfer your h1b but also pick up perm processing from your previous employer. More info here, https://www.murthy.com/2019/12/26/how-a-job-changes-may-impact-your-approved-i-140/ https://www.murthy.com/2019/12/26/how-a-job-changes-may-impa... This is just one example. It is far far far away from 'freely'. Given the arbitrary nature of uscis processing people try to minimize their iteraction with the agency. No visa employee will attempt this risky move for a 10k salary bump.
    - theshadowmonkey 6y ago
      You just need one perm and 140 approval. And most companies are ready to start processing your green card in 3-6 months after you start at the latest. It is not as convenient as getting up tomorrow and walking away. But, it is definitely not as dire as you seem to be.
  - chillacy 6y ago
    I don't know the truthfulness of the claim but I've spoken with several colleagues on H1B and they were all very reluctant to take any risks due to their visa status. But I also know others who have gone on to change companies for the better.

empath75 6y ago

US tech workers are making a fortune and I don’t think I’ve ever worried about my job being replaced by someone from India. I don’t even have a college degree.

GregoryVPerry 6y ago
You are full of shit, U.S. workers have been absolutely displaced by absurd low cost engineering H1B from India. Just because you suck up to Aadesh to keep your job doesn't give validity to the fact that entire H1B corporations are taking over U.S. companies and then holding them hostage, because once you migrate your entire infrastructure over to HCL you are then completely fucked and held over their barrel of control over all technical operations. These Indian onshore companies literally take over entire tech departments and then give the finger to whitey who's worked there for a decade or more, and it's always a corporate decision by some dumbfuck CEO with zero tech chops that does this while getting blowjobs from Abha in the exec washroom. H1B is fucking bullshit.
- dang 6y ago
  Your recent comments have been breaking the site guidelines past the point of vandalism. I'm taking that as an indication that you don't want to use HN as intended, so have banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Bhilai 6y ago

Wow, your views cannot be more misinformed.

GregoryVPerry 6y ago
Great, thanks for your one line nothing.

abc_lisper 6y ago

As an Indian on H-1B, most of your views are correct, except 30% market rate. Discrimination is there, but not rampant, or significant. There are pockets of discrimination in bigcos.

GregoryVPerry 6y ago

YC is fucking bullshit, what is a flagged post? This has upvotes, not downvotes, but based on "flagged post" this doesn't show up unless I login? My post again, and stop flagging it you angry H1B workers that leave 20 pairs of shoes outside of your hovel: ----- There is no question H1B visa holders can escalate through the ranks and make a bunch of cash in the United States. And that's exactly what is wrong with the entire thing. That entire teams of Indian H1B visa holders will immediately get whitey off the project, every single time, while making sure that the hiring manager and technical team leads are always Indian. This is the caste system, re-invented here the U.S. And you cannot get shit done if you are a competent engineer dealing with an offshore team or onshore H1B team. They will not do what you tell them to do. They will argue about every single point. They will trash your credibility and refuse to implement anything, using groupthink that controls the entire project. Managing a team of onshore H1B workers is nothing but interoffice politics that they completely control in all aspects. It's blatantly racist and has destroyed U.S. worker opportunity in the engineering fields, all of them. H1B is a complete scam, especially in the Beltway / Northern Virginia area where everything is a billable contract. Headhunters get their fee and/or a large chunk of the first year's hourly revenue. The company hiring the H1B worker is on some federal project or grant and is making the spread between what the headhunter charges and the hourly rate on the contract. The hiring company couldn't give a shit less about the quality of work provided by Indian H1B workers, nor is a college degree granted from an Indian university anywhere near what is required in the U.S. from an engineering perspective - there is no comparison in the quality of education, nor have I ever met a single H1B engineer that was better than anything but a limited segment of technology that they specialize in, by design, because that requires their team in order to complete the project. Makes total sense if you're the headhunter and hiring company, both of whom only care about having a warm body in a seat that is billable, and you can get three warm bodies in the seat for the price of one market rate position using H1B. It's complete bullshit, a scam on the taxpayer and attack on U.S. workers. Worthless 99% of the time, and the 1% of H1B engineers that actually do know what they are doing are not worth the damage the H1B program has done to the entire U.S. technical space.