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You haven't tried Cisco WebEx,have you? For a good chunk of time Skype was dead while MS was busy figuring out how to assimilate it. Google was out because co

You haven't tried Cisco WebEx,have you? For a good chunk of time Skype was dead while MS was busy figuring out how to assimilate it. Google was out because companies didn't want google to spy on you, so your options were WebEx or zoom (which we didn't know was a spying dumpster fire yet). We eventually also had to give up on WebEx because it simply did not work consistently on our Linux Dev's laptops. So our option was "or zoom"

axegon_ 6y ago
The spying argument is not exactly applicable for most scenarios. I mean you know you are taking a risk when you're using proprietary software running on servers that aren't yours, whether the privacy issues are intentional or design flaws(both of which exist in every solution, whether that be zoom, google, microsoft or any other competitor in that context). So with that I personally pick reliability over anything else, hence my personal choice - meet. And realistically speaking, very few people are of any interest to Google or even state agencies. I most certainly am not: I've applied for positions at Google in the past so they have my near - complete resume(now lead developer as opposed to senior developer when I applied), I use some of their paid services so they know my bank account, full names, address and telephone number and I use a ton of their products in general. I'm way past the "on the internet no one knows I'm a dog" state. I'm with Torvalds on this one - I'll use proprietary solutions so long as they do the job and there are no viable alternatives.
- dnautics 6y ago
  Well in the case of Google I was working at a company that was interested in partnering with google competitors, so it didn't matter whether we thought we were targets or not.
RHSeeger 6y ago
Honestly, I find Zoom to be "WebEx, but not as good". There's just a dozen little things about Zoom that make it seem like it is a copy that someone didn't bother to put enough time into. - At least half the time, one of the dialins doesn't work - It's not uncommon for the meeting and caller id to be "below the fold", plus you can't resize the window with them, plus it scrolls to the top whenever someone joins. So you'll scroll down to see the meeting id, start typing, someone will join, it'll scroll back up, and you'll have to scroll back down. There's just a bunch of minor issues like this that add up to make it seem like Zoom was done by one of those "oh, I can write that up in a weekend" people. To add a note of positive, both of them are much better than some of the other systems I've used. There was one where the mute button was right next to the hang up button; I'd wind up accidentally disconnecting from calls accidentally on average once per call.

axegon_ 6y ago

The spying argument is not exactly applicable for most scenarios. I mean you know you are taking a risk when you're using proprietary software running on servers that aren't yours, whether the privacy issues are intentional or design flaws(both of which exist in every solution, whether that be zoom, google, microsoft or any other competitor in that context). So with that I personally pick reliability over anything else, hence my personal choice - meet. And realistically speaking, very few people are of any interest to Google or even state agencies. I most certainly am not: I've applied for positions at Google in the past so they have my near - complete resume(now lead developer as opposed to senior developer when I applied), I use some of their paid services so they know my bank account, full names, address and telephone number and I use a ton of their products in general. I'm way past the "on the internet no one knows I'm a dog" state. I'm with Torvalds on this one - I'll use proprietary solutions so long as they do the job and there are no viable alternatives.

dnautics 6y ago
Well in the case of Google I was working at a company that was interested in partnering with google competitors, so it didn't matter whether we thought we were targets or not.

RHSeeger 6y ago

Honestly, I find Zoom to be "WebEx, but not as good". There's just a dozen little things about Zoom that make it seem like it is a copy that someone didn't bother to put enough time into. - At least half the time, one of the dialins doesn't work - It's not uncommon for the meeting and caller id to be "below the fold", plus you can't resize the window with them, plus it scrolls to the top whenever someone joins. So you'll scroll down to see the meeting id, start typing, someone will join, it'll scroll back up, and you'll have to scroll back down. There's just a bunch of minor issues like this that add up to make it seem like Zoom was done by one of those "oh, I can write that up in a weekend" people. To add a note of positive, both of them are much better than some of the other systems I've used. There was one where the mute button was right next to the hang up button; I'd wind up accidentally disconnecting from calls accidentally on average once per call.