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Because they want to? Why do they have to do what you want them to do? They are free to scrap the entire thing if they so choose. H1-B has been massively abuse

Because they want to? Why do they have to do what you want them to do? They are free to scrap the entire thing if they so choose. H1-B has been massively abused for decades. Any attempt to reign this in should be welcomed by American workers, who are the ones this abuse affects most.

xxpor 6y ago
You're making the normative assumption that Americans are entitled to these jobs more than anyone else. You're also making the economic assumption that Americans are a perfect substitute and this is at worst a net 0 loss for the economy. I think neither is true.
- jmeister 6y ago
  > Americans.. more than anyone else You must have missed what happened in 2016
- pnako 6y ago
  Americans are entitled to American stuff more than the rest of the world, yes. That's the principle upon which the concept of nation operates. That notion is disappearing in the US quickly, though, and soon the rest of the world will follow. It's going to be nice living in a giant global slum with a few extremely wealthy pockets with a de-facto segregation by IQ and wealth /s I think it's better if each country tries to retain their elites to build their own nations, instead of having everyone end up in Silicon Valley to work on spying technology.
- metrokoi 6y ago
  Am I as and American just as entitled to a job in Mexico or South Africa as a native South African or Mexican, or is it just non-Americans who have this equal entitlement to American jobs?
- subsaharancoder 6y ago
  I'm an immigrant in the U.S. and I can say, YES! Americans are entitled to these jobs more than anyone else. It is their country and immigration is a privilege they accord to those they find suitable, it is not a right as some people seem to believe.
  - bagacrap 6y ago
    American citizenship is most often granted on a person's first day in the world. It's ludicrous to say that one newborn baby is more deserving of anything than another newborn baby.
    - pnako 6y ago
      You don't understand the concept of being a people? Citizenship is not an award, it's not something one deserves. But it's not something you can give to anyone either. How do you define yourself? Don't you have a people, a group or tribe (whatever you want to call it) you belong to? I know people who define themselves as "human" and "citizen of the world", but they are quite uncommon.
      - paddez 6y ago
        > Citizenship Is a legal construct, which can be granted to a natural person by law. Legislation can be (relatively) easily changed. I don't think there's anything preventing legislators from granting citizenship to $PERSON for $REASON. So I'd argue that it is something that can be given - it's just that there's reasons that it's not.
        hef19898 6y ago
        In some EU countries you can buy it. For a very high of investment.
    - jmeister 6y ago
      What about your ancestors? Those that have contributed to this country over generations? Spilled blood in wars maybe? Built businesses or served in the govt?
      - paddez 6y ago
        What about your ancestors? American citizenship is granted if you're born on American soil, regardless of your ancestry. It says nothing about requiring blood spilt.

xxpor 6y ago

You're making the normative assumption that Americans are entitled to these jobs more than anyone else. You're also making the economic assumption that Americans are a perfect substitute and this is at worst a net 0 loss for the economy. I think neither is true.

jmeister 6y ago
> Americans.. more than anyone else You must have missed what happened in 2016
pnako 6y ago
Americans are entitled to American stuff more than the rest of the world, yes. That's the principle upon which the concept of nation operates. That notion is disappearing in the US quickly, though, and soon the rest of the world will follow. It's going to be nice living in a giant global slum with a few extremely wealthy pockets with a de-facto segregation by IQ and wealth /s I think it's better if each country tries to retain their elites to build their own nations, instead of having everyone end up in Silicon Valley to work on spying technology.
metrokoi 6y ago
Am I as and American just as entitled to a job in Mexico or South Africa as a native South African or Mexican, or is it just non-Americans who have this equal entitlement to American jobs?
subsaharancoder 6y ago
I'm an immigrant in the U.S. and I can say, YES! Americans are entitled to these jobs more than anyone else. It is their country and immigration is a privilege they accord to those they find suitable, it is not a right as some people seem to believe.
- bagacrap 6y ago
  American citizenship is most often granted on a person's first day in the world. It's ludicrous to say that one newborn baby is more deserving of anything than another newborn baby.
  - pnako 6y ago
    You don't understand the concept of being a people? Citizenship is not an award, it's not something one deserves. But it's not something you can give to anyone either. How do you define yourself? Don't you have a people, a group or tribe (whatever you want to call it) you belong to? I know people who define themselves as "human" and "citizen of the world", but they are quite uncommon.
    - paddez 6y ago
      > Citizenship Is a legal construct, which can be granted to a natural person by law. Legislation can be (relatively) easily changed. I don't think there's anything preventing legislators from granting citizenship to $PERSON for $REASON. So I'd argue that it is something that can be given - it's just that there's reasons that it's not.
      - hef19898 6y ago
        In some EU countries you can buy it. For a very high of investment.
  - jmeister 6y ago
    What about your ancestors? Those that have contributed to this country over generations? Spilled blood in wars maybe? Built businesses or served in the govt?
    - paddez 6y ago
      What about your ancestors? American citizenship is granted if you're born on American soil, regardless of your ancestry. It says nothing about requiring blood spilt.