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It doesn't look like macOS 11's new UI is going to need macOS 10 users to "stop and figure out" the interface in the way switching from macOS 10 to Xfce (or vic

It doesn't look like macOS 11's new UI is going to need macOS 10 users to "stop and figure out" the interface in the way switching from macOS 10 to Xfce (or vice-versa) would. The buttons aren't all moving around to strange places. The functionality isn't materially changing. What they're changing is the design language, not the fundamental UX.

jablan 6y ago
Well, as an occasional MacOS user, it still pisses me off when I discover that maximize button is in fact full screen button.
- Toutouxc 6y ago
  Yeah, except it is NOT a "maximize" button and never was. macOS just doesn't do maximized apps the way Windows and some Linux DEs do.
  - jtvjan 6y ago
    Before Yosemite the green button worked like a maximize button, and you had a separate fullscreen button on the other side. Now you need to ⌥-click the green button to maximize.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      No, that's not what it does on macOS. It simply makes the window larger and has done that ever since it was introduced, I believe. (I think for many document-based apps this just means to make the window taller, for example.)
      - jablan 6y ago
        IIRC the green button was "zoom", meaning it should adapt the window size to the window content, which in most of the cases resulted with maximizing.
  - jablan 6y ago
    I know, but it as close to maximize as it gets. That's not my point, but that the behavior has changed dramatically.
  - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
    I've been a full-time Mac user for nearly 20 years and I'm kind of with jablan here. :)
  - dahauns 6y ago
    And it's still fundamentally flawed as ever. (since the suggested behavior in the HIG presumes contextual intent is something that's generally clear or even decidable from the content.)
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  As far as I know, that part of the UX will remain consistent with macOS Big Sur, and it'll still piss you off. :) (You can hold down Option and use the green button as its old "Zoom" function, but I think there should be a system preference to reverse that so it's zoom by default and you hold down Option to go into full screen.)

jablan 6y ago

Well, as an occasional MacOS user, it still pisses me off when I discover that maximize button is in fact full screen button.

Toutouxc 6y ago
Yeah, except it is NOT a "maximize" button and never was. macOS just doesn't do maximized apps the way Windows and some Linux DEs do.
- jtvjan 6y ago
  Before Yosemite the green button worked like a maximize button, and you had a separate fullscreen button on the other side. Now you need to ⌥-click the green button to maximize.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    No, that's not what it does on macOS. It simply makes the window larger and has done that ever since it was introduced, I believe. (I think for many document-based apps this just means to make the window taller, for example.)
    - jablan 6y ago
      IIRC the green button was "zoom", meaning it should adapt the window size to the window content, which in most of the cases resulted with maximizing.
- jablan 6y ago
  I know, but it as close to maximize as it gets. That's not my point, but that the behavior has changed dramatically.
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  I've been a full-time Mac user for nearly 20 years and I'm kind of with jablan here. :)
- dahauns 6y ago
  And it's still fundamentally flawed as ever. (since the suggested behavior in the HIG presumes contextual intent is something that's generally clear or even decidable from the content.)
chipotle_coyote 6y ago
As far as I know, that part of the UX will remain consistent with macOS Big Sur, and it'll still piss you off. :) (You can hold down Option and use the green button as its old "Zoom" function, but I think there should be a system preference to reverse that so it's zoom by default and you hold down Option to go into full screen.)