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Y Combinator’s Newest Start-Ups Riding High On Demo Day

34 points by rhartsock 16y ago

rabble 16y ago
Two things, one, a $10 Million valuation for an angel round is really high. I'm suspecting that the real statement was something more like "one of the YC companies even got a $10 Million pre-money valuation" rather than the average. Second, Paul Buchheit is investing in some of the YC companies in addition to his participation as a partner? Will that create signaling issues? I know he knows the YC companies better than other startups, but if he doesn't invest, it means he passed? Same thing happened with VC's doing angel rounds then if they don't follow up, they're leaving the startup in the lurch?
ghshephard 16y ago
"One investor who has spoken to companies in this Y Combinator group and who didn’t want to be identified said he estimates that the pre-money valuations on this batch will average $10 million." I don't care how good a crop of candidates YC attracts - that type of pre-money valuation can't be for any _particular_ startup, rationally supported in just 90 days of work with a small team. The following possibilities come to mind: A) The investor who was not named was pulling numbers out of their ass and couldn't back them up. B) The current crop has been working on their ideas for a lot longer than 90 days C) We've reached a bubble in valuations. D) There is an expectation of at least one multi-billion dollar hit that will make up for the losses on the other 40 or so misses. E) I'm wrong, and the current batch of YC start-ups truly do deserve $10 Million pre-money valuations.
- paul 16y ago
  Valuation is based on expected value. How much time they spent on the startup is irrelevant. For example, if a startup has a 1% chance of being worth $1B, then it's worth about $10M (very rough math since actual outcomes aren't quite that binary). Also, many companies are raising at lower valuations.
  - ghshephard 16y ago
    No arguments whatsoever. I think you are reformulating my "Option D" - there is a small expectation of a few big hits that will make up for the many losses, and the investors go in realizing that not every startup with a $10 Million valuation, has a high chance of being $10 Million or more. Another way of saying this, is that these types of investments are clearly _not_ for the conservative investor who can only afford to invest in one company.
    - paul 16y ago
      Has anyone ever said that startup investing is appropriate for conservative investors who can only make one investment? In fact, the only bold text on my blog post about startup investing says exactly the opposite of that: http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2011/01/angel-investing-my-first-three-years.html http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2011/01/angel-investing-my-...
  - harscoat 16y ago
    What this also means is that YC adds/gets 35x value (w/ assumption $17k for 6%) out of the door.
  - paul 16y ago
    BTW, in case my "many companies are raising at lower valuations" statement isn't clear enough, the supposed $10M median valuation is not accurate.
- jorkos 16y ago
  B)
  - sgrove 16y ago
    I'm not entirely in the know, but I'd be willing to wager the average time working (in some cases full-time) on an idea pre-YC would be approaching one year at least.
- mwerty 16y ago
  Deserve's Got Nothing To Do With It. - Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven.
- joshu 16y ago
  A.
  - harscoat 16y ago
    @Harjeet "@pkedrosky that's false. the median will definitely not be $10m" http://twitter.com/#!/Harjeet/statuses/50831305084112896 http://twitter.com/#!/Harjeet/statuses/50831305084112896

34 points by rhartsock 16y ago

Two things, one, a $10 Million valuation for an angel round is really high. I'm suspecting that the real statement was something more like "one of the YC companies even got a $10 Million pre-money valuation" rather than the average. Second, Paul Buchheit is investing in some of the YC companies in addition to his participation as a partner? Will that create signaling issues? I know he knows the YC companies better than other startups, but if he doesn't invest, it means he passed? Same thing happened with VC's doing angel rounds then if they don't follow up, they're leaving the startup in the lurch?

ghshephard 16y ago

"One investor who has spoken to companies in this Y Combinator group and who didn’t want to be identified said he estimates that the pre-money valuations on this batch will average $10 million." I don't care how good a crop of candidates YC attracts - that type of pre-money valuation can't be for any _particular_ startup, rationally supported in just 90 days of work with a small team. The following possibilities come to mind: A) The investor who was not named was pulling numbers out of their ass and couldn't back them up. B) The current crop has been working on their ideas for a lot longer than 90 days C) We've reached a bubble in valuations. D) There is an expectation of at least one multi-billion dollar hit that will make up for the losses on the other 40 or so misses. E) I'm wrong, and the current batch of YC start-ups truly do deserve $10 Million pre-money valuations.

paul 16y ago
Valuation is based on expected value. How much time they spent on the startup is irrelevant. For example, if a startup has a 1% chance of being worth $1B, then it's worth about $10M (very rough math since actual outcomes aren't quite that binary). Also, many companies are raising at lower valuations.
- ghshephard 16y ago
  No arguments whatsoever. I think you are reformulating my "Option D" - there is a small expectation of a few big hits that will make up for the many losses, and the investors go in realizing that not every startup with a $10 Million valuation, has a high chance of being $10 Million or more. Another way of saying this, is that these types of investments are clearly _not_ for the conservative investor who can only afford to invest in one company.
  - paul 16y ago
    Has anyone ever said that startup investing is appropriate for conservative investors who can only make one investment? In fact, the only bold text on my blog post about startup investing says exactly the opposite of that: http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2011/01/angel-investing-my-first-three-years.html http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2011/01/angel-investing-my-...
- harscoat 16y ago
  What this also means is that YC adds/gets 35x value (w/ assumption $17k for 6%) out of the door.
- paul 16y ago
  BTW, in case my "many companies are raising at lower valuations" statement isn't clear enough, the supposed $10M median valuation is not accurate.
jorkos 16y ago
B)
- sgrove 16y ago
  I'm not entirely in the know, but I'd be willing to wager the average time working (in some cases full-time) on an idea pre-YC would be approaching one year at least.
mwerty 16y ago
Deserve's Got Nothing To Do With It. - Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven.
joshu 16y ago
A.
- harscoat 16y ago
  @Harjeet "@pkedrosky that's false. the median will definitely not be $10m" http://twitter.com/#!/Harjeet/statuses/50831305084112896 http://twitter.com/#!/Harjeet/statuses/50831305084112896