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Because, in essence, they get servitude from far more of those foreign hires than they do from the locals who can confidently exercise their rights.

winter_blue 6y ago
This is a blatantly rude and insulting thing to say. (It's kind of sad how these xenophobic comments are common here.) > they get servitude Never has this been true about me, or the people I know. I've left jobs I disliked, and taken up new jobs. Also, in case you were unaware: yes, we can change jobs. And, yes, there's paperwork to be filed to do so, but the majority of tech companies are willing to do it. The solution to even a hypothetical "servitude" situation would be stop issuing such restrictive covenant visas, and instead give people green cards / permanent residency (like Canada does). However, people who despise immigrants will stop at the former, and vehemently oppose the latter. > foreign hires Also, most of these people aren't "foreign hires" as you say. They're often people who've studied here, are often people who've been in the US for over decade (like myself). The fact that the US makes it nearly impossible to get green cards (and therefore citizenship) is what forces people to be on visa for a long time (and sometimes even forever). If you have the time, please take a look at the comments I link to in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23612304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23612304
- randompwd 6y ago
  I hate to break it to you but I'm not an American. You've responded in bad faith with nothing but nonsense and wildly untrue accusations. Also, I am very familiar with H1Bs and their application, as well as the companies that use them. Your anecdote isn't data. Every country should be looking out for their citizens first and foremost. Not increasing the profit margins of corporations. You're not entitled to live in a different country just because you want to.
  - winter_blue 6y ago
    Whether you're American or not is irrelevant. Your comments make it amply clear that you're a xenophobic bigot. And, yes, actually I feel more than 100% entitled to live in a country that has been my home for my entire adult life. I don't care if xenophobic bigots like you don't. I also support how most undocumented immigrants feel -- that they have a right to be here, and that they belong here. I condemn your miserable, nationalistic, bigoted, hateful, xenophobic and insulting attitude towards the right of people to live where they chose. Screw your attitude, and hopefully once Democrats fully win, both myself along with millions of other undocumented folks will be able to reside without being hated on.
    - randompwd 6y ago
      Your comments are clearly out of line. @dang @sctb > xenophobia: dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. Do explain how my comment was xenophobic and how i am a xenophobic bigot? > Whether you're American or not is irrelevant It clearly is very relevant. I have no skin in the game when it comes to deciding whether you should be allowed live in America. Countries have borders whereby the people inside those borders get to decide the laws of their country. The successes and failures, and targets for quality of life & culture for those people is determined, for the most part, by those people. > once Democrats fully win, both myself along with millions of other undocumented folks will be able to reside without being hated on. I hate to break it to you but American Democrats are just politicians just like all the other politicians. Most of their policies and views (as and from Clintons reign) would be considered conservative & regressive for the most part in most other Western countries. > towards the right of people to live where they chose That is not a right. It is a privilege when you're not "of the land". Borders exist for a reason. Just because you want in doesn't mean you should get in. I will not be engaging further with you as you are commenting hatefully and irrationally.

winter_blue 6y ago

This is a blatantly rude and insulting thing to say. (It's kind of sad how these xenophobic comments are common here.) > they get servitude Never has this been true about me, or the people I know. I've left jobs I disliked, and taken up new jobs. Also, in case you were unaware: yes, we can change jobs. And, yes, there's paperwork to be filed to do so, but the majority of tech companies are willing to do it. The solution to even a hypothetical "servitude" situation would be stop issuing such restrictive covenant visas, and instead give people green cards / permanent residency (like Canada does). However, people who despise immigrants will stop at the former, and vehemently oppose the latter. > foreign hires Also, most of these people aren't "foreign hires" as you say. They're often people who've studied here, are often people who've been in the US for over decade (like myself). The fact that the US makes it nearly impossible to get green cards (and therefore citizenship) is what forces people to be on visa for a long time (and sometimes even forever). If you have the time, please take a look at the comments I link to in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23612304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23612304

randompwd 6y ago
I hate to break it to you but I'm not an American. You've responded in bad faith with nothing but nonsense and wildly untrue accusations. Also, I am very familiar with H1Bs and their application, as well as the companies that use them. Your anecdote isn't data. Every country should be looking out for their citizens first and foremost. Not increasing the profit margins of corporations. You're not entitled to live in a different country just because you want to.
- winter_blue 6y ago
  Whether you're American or not is irrelevant. Your comments make it amply clear that you're a xenophobic bigot. And, yes, actually I feel more than 100% entitled to live in a country that has been my home for my entire adult life. I don't care if xenophobic bigots like you don't. I also support how most undocumented immigrants feel -- that they have a right to be here, and that they belong here. I condemn your miserable, nationalistic, bigoted, hateful, xenophobic and insulting attitude towards the right of people to live where they chose. Screw your attitude, and hopefully once Democrats fully win, both myself along with millions of other undocumented folks will be able to reside without being hated on.
  - randompwd 6y ago
    Your comments are clearly out of line. @dang @sctb > xenophobia: dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. Do explain how my comment was xenophobic and how i am a xenophobic bigot? > Whether you're American or not is irrelevant It clearly is very relevant. I have no skin in the game when it comes to deciding whether you should be allowed live in America. Countries have borders whereby the people inside those borders get to decide the laws of their country. The successes and failures, and targets for quality of life & culture for those people is determined, for the most part, by those people. > once Democrats fully win, both myself along with millions of other undocumented folks will be able to reside without being hated on. I hate to break it to you but American Democrats are just politicians just like all the other politicians. Most of their policies and views (as and from Clintons reign) would be considered conservative & regressive for the most part in most other Western countries. > towards the right of people to live where they chose That is not a right. It is a privilege when you're not "of the land". Borders exist for a reason. Just because you want in doesn't mean you should get in. I will not be engaging further with you as you are commenting hatefully and irrationally.