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> It's also possible that the mathematician built an algorithm anchored on years of arrest data from racist cops doing racial profiling. That possibility is ex

> It's also possible that the mathematician built an algorithm anchored on years of arrest data from racist cops doing racial profiling. That possibility is explicitly excluded since the data comes from crimes reported by victims, not investigations initiated by police officers.

alexilliamson 6y ago
Arrest data includes both.
BGthaOG 6y ago
Minorities are less comfortable calling the police in the first place.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  Do you have any data to back up that claim, other than anecdotal "evidence"? Here's some real data: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf Across all races and Hispanic origin, American Indians and Alaska Natives (15%) and persons of two or more races (15%) had the highest rates of reporting crime or neighborhood disturbances to the police. No statistical difference was observed between the percentage of white (9%) and black (7%) persons reporting a crime or neighborhood disturbance to police in 2011. Also, perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but Appendix Table 4 suggests that minorities are much more satisfied with police response than the average.
  - Ar-Curunir 6y ago
    I think the massive protests over the last few years indicate that at least one large class of minorities (Black folks) are not “much more satisfied” with the police
  - BGthaOG 6y ago
    Quick search, https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-violence-lowers-911-calls-in-black-neighborhoods/501908/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-... And then there is the fact that illegal immigrants do not call the police for their fears.
    - lazyjones 6y ago
      > https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-.. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-.... 3 people "screened and analyzed" 1.1 million calls and found out that there was a (presumably temporary) effect on minorities after one much-discussed incident involving minorities? The rest is cherry-picked examples and wild conjecture and not thorough analysis of the data. > illegal immigrants do not call the police for their fears. Um, that's because they're illegal and has nothing to do with racism.
      - noobermin 6y ago
        It doesn't look great when you are presented with evidence then try to find some reason to disbelieve it.
        pochamago 6y ago
        I disagree, I think that's how we should expect dialogues to proceed. To uncritically accept any evidence presented to you is a much less effective method for reaching the truth.
      - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
        An illegal British person is going to face far less scrutiny than an Indian migrant from Central America.
jedimastert 6y ago
What about racist victims?

alexilliamson 6y ago

Arrest data includes both.

BGthaOG 6y ago

Minorities are less comfortable calling the police in the first place.

lazyjones 6y ago
Do you have any data to back up that claim, other than anecdotal "evidence"? Here's some real data: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpa11.pdf Across all races and Hispanic origin, American Indians and Alaska Natives (15%) and persons of two or more races (15%) had the highest rates of reporting crime or neighborhood disturbances to the police. No statistical difference was observed between the percentage of white (9%) and black (7%) persons reporting a crime or neighborhood disturbance to police in 2011. Also, perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but Appendix Table 4 suggests that minorities are much more satisfied with police response than the average.
- Ar-Curunir 6y ago
  I think the massive protests over the last few years indicate that at least one large class of minorities (Black folks) are not “much more satisfied” with the police
- BGthaOG 6y ago
  Quick search, https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-violence-lowers-911-calls-in-black-neighborhoods/501908/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-... And then there is the fact that illegal immigrants do not call the police for their fears.
  - lazyjones 6y ago
    > https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-.. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/police-.... 3 people "screened and analyzed" 1.1 million calls and found out that there was a (presumably temporary) effect on minorities after one much-discussed incident involving minorities? The rest is cherry-picked examples and wild conjecture and not thorough analysis of the data. > illegal immigrants do not call the police for their fears. Um, that's because they're illegal and has nothing to do with racism.
    - noobermin 6y ago
      It doesn't look great when you are presented with evidence then try to find some reason to disbelieve it.
      - pochamago 6y ago
        I disagree, I think that's how we should expect dialogues to proceed. To uncritically accept any evidence presented to you is a much less effective method for reaching the truth.
    - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
      An illegal British person is going to face far less scrutiny than an Indian migrant from Central America.

jedimastert 6y ago

What about racist victims?