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Not sure what the problem is. Apple is merely transitioning to a new CPU architecture. If you're a low level developer, you'll be working in ARM assembler rathe

by donarb 6y ago

Not sure what the problem is. Apple is merely transitioning to a new CPU architecture. If you're a low level developer, you'll be working in ARM assembler rather than x86 assembler.

jason0597 6y ago
They may be moving to a new CPU architecture, but given Apple's track record of trying to lock you into their ecosystem, I wouldn't be surprised if they made your life a living hell if you tried to install anything other than Mac OS. Think about android smartphones for instance. I can't simply load up a new operating system by downloading the .iso file into my phone and boot into the boot selection menu just by holding down a correct button combination. No, you have to go through custom ROMs, shifty looking Russian/Chinese forums, sometimes you even have to send a kind email to your phone manufacturer to get a key so that you can load a custom ROM onto your phone. I mean, it's bad enough already on Android. But don't you know how absolutely impossible it is on iOS? I literally buy a computer (an iPhone), and I cannot write my own programs and run them on my new computer. Is this the company we can trust with such a major transition into a new platform and architecture? How on earth can I trust Apple so that they don't require me to literally jailbreak a macbook so that I can install another operating system? Christ, look at how annoying newer versions of Mac OS are! Locked down to oblivion, everything requiring to be signed, no i-know-what-im-doing option in the settings anywhere to just disable everything and get on with your day. It's a real effort to get control of your own computer back. There's a reason some of us still run Linux. Got a binary? Run it. Just like that. No messing about. I can never trust Apple to make it as simple as this.
- filleduchaos 6y ago
  And what, exactly, does all of this have to do with ARM vs x86? > Locked down to oblivion, everything requiring to be signed, no i-know-what-im-doing option in the settings anywhere to just disable everything and get on with your day. If you really know what you are doing, you should know how to disable and enable SIP.
  - jason0597 6y ago
    >And what, exactly, does all of this have to do with ARM vs x86? The transition from x86 to ARM gives them the opportunity to impose these restrictions. Back in the day, companies wouldn't even dream of trying to pull something as radical as this, but now that we've had a decade of smartphones proving how you can get away with not allowing customers to install their own operating system on their phone, the leverage is there. It's not ARM itself that worries me, it's the transition from x86 to anything (POWER9, ARM, etc.)

by donarb 6y ago

Not sure what the problem is. Apple is merely transitioning to a new CPU architecture. If you're a low level developer, you'll be working in ARM assembler rather than x86 assembler.

jason0597 6y ago

They may be moving to a new CPU architecture, but given Apple's track record of trying to lock you into their ecosystem, I wouldn't be surprised if they made your life a living hell if you tried to install anything other than Mac OS. Think about android smartphones for instance. I can't simply load up a new operating system by downloading the .iso file into my phone and boot into the boot selection menu just by holding down a correct button combination. No, you have to go through custom ROMs, shifty looking Russian/Chinese forums, sometimes you even have to send a kind email to your phone manufacturer to get a key so that you can load a custom ROM onto your phone. I mean, it's bad enough already on Android. But don't you know how absolutely impossible it is on iOS? I literally buy a computer (an iPhone), and I cannot write my own programs and run them on my new computer. Is this the company we can trust with such a major transition into a new platform and architecture? How on earth can I trust Apple so that they don't require me to literally jailbreak a macbook so that I can install another operating system? Christ, look at how annoying newer versions of Mac OS are! Locked down to oblivion, everything requiring to be signed, no i-know-what-im-doing option in the settings anywhere to just disable everything and get on with your day. It's a real effort to get control of your own computer back. There's a reason some of us still run Linux. Got a binary? Run it. Just like that. No messing about. I can never trust Apple to make it as simple as this.

filleduchaos 6y ago
And what, exactly, does all of this have to do with ARM vs x86? > Locked down to oblivion, everything requiring to be signed, no i-know-what-im-doing option in the settings anywhere to just disable everything and get on with your day. If you really know what you are doing, you should know how to disable and enable SIP.
- jason0597 6y ago
  >And what, exactly, does all of this have to do with ARM vs x86? The transition from x86 to ARM gives them the opportunity to impose these restrictions. Back in the day, companies wouldn't even dream of trying to pull something as radical as this, but now that we've had a decade of smartphones proving how you can get away with not allowing customers to install their own operating system on their phone, the leverage is there. It's not ARM itself that worries me, it's the transition from x86 to anything (POWER9, ARM, etc.)