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MS already did that by paying Ninja ~30M to stream on mixer originally. He averaged like 2K viewers. They did the same with shroud with the same result. Now Nin

by tmpz22 6y ago

MS already did that by paying Ninja ~30M to stream on mixer originally. He averaged like 2K viewers. They did the same with shroud with the same result. Now Ninja and shroud are supposedly being paid out in full for their contracts and are free to sign with any platform. Why offer them a second massive truckload of money when the first truckload fundamentally did not work.

texasbigdata 6y ago
Sorry just to clarify, thirty million US dollars? Like...the currency used in America?
- cthalupa 6y ago
  Yes. The current rumor is that FB offered to double the Mixer contracts for Shroud and Ninja as well, and that both turned them down. Not sure how accurate said rumors are.
  - bigtex 6y ago
    I guess I don't understand as it has been already proven in the marketplace that Shroud and Ninja can't attract new viewers so why would anyone overpay for their services? The only streamer that I could imagine that could drag viewers away from Twitch would be DrDisrespect but he recently signed a multi-year deal with Twitch.
    - k12sosse 6y ago
      The free prime sub is a huge deal not a lot of people are talking about. Also a huge portion of twitch subs comes from whales dropping blocks of gifted subscriptions.. especially the bigger streamers. They've gamified ePanhandling and they're falling for it
- filoleg 6y ago
  No idea where the confusion comes from, but yeah, it was at least 30 million USD.
- pdw 6y ago
  between $20 and $30 million, according to this https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/26/tech/video-game-streaming-wars/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/26/tech/video-game-streaming...
- Godel_unicode 6y ago
  I really don't understand this confusion about the ridiculous amount of money in gaming. Sony is projecting $20 Billion in revenue this FY. Nintendo is projecting 10, with no new console launch. There are multiple game developers who make billions of dollars every year. Gaming is the most profitable and highest revenue part of the entertainment industry, and it's not even especially close.
- alasdair_ 6y ago
  Prime time viewership of ABC (as in the entire television network, at peak times) was 5.5 million viewers last quarter [1]. Ninja's had 4.4 million viewers of a single stream on Mixer. That's just one guy in a chair with an almost zero content cost. $30 Million doesn't seem that crazy compared to the total cost to produce a year's worth of prime-time content. [1] https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/351645/prime-time-tv-season-ends-down-5-fox-leads-among.html#:~:text=Even%20with%20the%20major%20loss,5.5%20million%20(down%203%25) https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/351645/prime-.... [2]
slightwinder 6y ago
> Why offer them a second massive truckload of money when the first truckload fundamentally did not work. Except Facebook did that. Rumors go Facebook offered them double their Deal from Mixer, but they declined. Though, others did take it. Facebook is bar far not as worse as Mixer for a streamer. If you have the matching games, you can be happy there.

by tmpz22 6y ago

texasbigdata 6y ago

Sorry just to clarify, thirty million US dollars? Like...the currency used in America?

cthalupa 6y ago
Yes. The current rumor is that FB offered to double the Mixer contracts for Shroud and Ninja as well, and that both turned them down. Not sure how accurate said rumors are.
- bigtex 6y ago
  I guess I don't understand as it has been already proven in the marketplace that Shroud and Ninja can't attract new viewers so why would anyone overpay for their services? The only streamer that I could imagine that could drag viewers away from Twitch would be DrDisrespect but he recently signed a multi-year deal with Twitch.
  - k12sosse 6y ago
    The free prime sub is a huge deal not a lot of people are talking about. Also a huge portion of twitch subs comes from whales dropping blocks of gifted subscriptions.. especially the bigger streamers. They've gamified ePanhandling and they're falling for it
filoleg 6y ago
No idea where the confusion comes from, but yeah, it was at least 30 million USD.
pdw 6y ago
between $20 and $30 million, according to this https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/26/tech/video-game-streaming-wars/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/26/tech/video-game-streaming...
Godel_unicode 6y ago
I really don't understand this confusion about the ridiculous amount of money in gaming. Sony is projecting $20 Billion in revenue this FY. Nintendo is projecting 10, with no new console launch. There are multiple game developers who make billions of dollars every year. Gaming is the most profitable and highest revenue part of the entertainment industry, and it's not even especially close.
alasdair_ 6y ago
Prime time viewership of ABC (as in the entire television network, at peak times) was 5.5 million viewers last quarter [1]. Ninja's had 4.4 million viewers of a single stream on Mixer. That's just one guy in a chair with an almost zero content cost. $30 Million doesn't seem that crazy compared to the total cost to produce a year's worth of prime-time content. [1] https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/351645/prime-time-tv-season-ends-down-5-fox-leads-among.html#:~:text=Even%20with%20the%20major%20loss,5.5%20million%20(down%203%25) https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/351645/prime-.... [2]

slightwinder 6y ago

> Why offer them a second massive truckload of money when the first truckload fundamentally did not work. Except Facebook did that. Rumors go Facebook offered them double their Deal from Mixer, but they declined. Though, others did take it. Facebook is bar far not as worse as Mixer for a streamer. If you have the matching games, you can be happy there.