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I'm not sure why I continue to look forward to new Mac OS announcements every year when Apple continues to focus on consumer apps/features and not pro/developer

I'm not sure why I continue to look forward to new Mac OS announcements every year when Apple continues to focus on consumer apps/features and not pro/developer features. Literally nothing in that preview page excites me as someone that uses Mac OS mainly for developing software. I wish they would use WWDC to announce developer and pro features and not consumer OS features. I don't really care for the UI changes, but I spend such little time in the UI that I guess it doesn't matter much. The iOS-ification of Mac OS is an unfortunate change. I don't use any of the built-in apps with the exception of terminal.app and finder. Meh. Most interesting: This appears to be the end of "OS X" as version was listed as "11.0" in the keynote. Will Big Sur and Mac OS (beyond OS X) continue to be certified UNIX?

CharlesW 6y ago
> I'm not sure why I continue to look forward to new Mac OS announcements every year when Apple continues to focus on consumer apps/features and not pro/developer features. The only session the press cares about is the keynote, so geeky stuff hasn't been keynote fodder for several years. Everything but the WWDC keynote will be for a developer audience.
MR4D 6y ago
I think developers should always start on this page instead of the keynote: https://developer.apple.com/macos/ https://developer.apple.com/macos/ EDIT: Also meant to point out that every year they have a theme - this year is apparently all interface (as they've probably spent all there time getting ARM working smoothly, and want to minimize the plumbing issues).
- dcchambers 6y ago
  Thanks for the link.
  - MR4D 6y ago
    You're welcome. I learned this a couple years ago. WWDC keynote is a high level overview of new features for everyone, and you have to dig deeper for the stuff we're really interested in. I think this is a sign that their ecosystem has matured, and the developer aspects aren't as headline worthy as Swift, Metal, Carbon, etc. I personally think the Platforms State of the Union should be quite interesting today (starts in about 20 minutes) and will be much more insightful.
saagarjha 6y ago
Take a look at the State of the Union–it's in less than an hour. It's the developer-focused keynote.
- rahkiin 6y ago
  Tbh it is less developer focused than I expected
zimpenfish 6y ago
> Most interesting: This appears to be the end of "OS X" as version was listed as "11.0" in the keynote. "Mac OS X" was dropped for macOS in 2016. https://fortune.com/2016/06/13/apple-mac-os-sierra/ https://fortune.com/2016/06/13/apple-mac-os-sierra/
- dcchambers 6y ago
  Right, but the version number on the last few releases was still "10.x"
pilsetnieks 6y ago
I wonder why keep the naming scheme if numbering is changed.
IncRnd 6y ago
When I went to download it it was 10.16. This might turn out to be 10.16 for Intel and 11.0 for ARM.
pjmlp 6y ago
As a developer I cannot care less about UNIX, I see lots of interesting features.

CharlesW 6y ago

> I'm not sure why I continue to look forward to new Mac OS announcements every year when Apple continues to focus on consumer apps/features and not pro/developer features. The only session the press cares about is the keynote, so geeky stuff hasn't been keynote fodder for several years. Everything but the WWDC keynote will be for a developer audience.

MR4D 6y ago

I think developers should always start on this page instead of the keynote: https://developer.apple.com/macos/ https://developer.apple.com/macos/ EDIT: Also meant to point out that every year they have a theme - this year is apparently all interface (as they've probably spent all there time getting ARM working smoothly, and want to minimize the plumbing issues).

dcchambers 6y ago
Thanks for the link.
- MR4D 6y ago
  You're welcome. I learned this a couple years ago. WWDC keynote is a high level overview of new features for everyone, and you have to dig deeper for the stuff we're really interested in. I think this is a sign that their ecosystem has matured, and the developer aspects aren't as headline worthy as Swift, Metal, Carbon, etc. I personally think the Platforms State of the Union should be quite interesting today (starts in about 20 minutes) and will be much more insightful.

saagarjha 6y ago

Take a look at the State of the Union–it's in less than an hour. It's the developer-focused keynote.

rahkiin 6y ago
Tbh it is less developer focused than I expected

zimpenfish 6y ago

> Most interesting: This appears to be the end of "OS X" as version was listed as "11.0" in the keynote. "Mac OS X" was dropped for macOS in 2016. https://fortune.com/2016/06/13/apple-mac-os-sierra/ https://fortune.com/2016/06/13/apple-mac-os-sierra/

dcchambers 6y ago
Right, but the version number on the last few releases was still "10.x"

pilsetnieks 6y ago

I wonder why keep the naming scheme if numbering is changed.

IncRnd 6y ago

When I went to download it it was 10.16. This might turn out to be 10.16 for Intel and 11.0 for ARM.

pjmlp 6y ago

As a developer I cannot care less about UNIX, I see lots of interesting features.