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People get used to things. I feel the same way about picking up an Android. People who live in New York and people who live in Nome probably would find the othe

by ponker 6y ago

People get used to things. I feel the same way about picking up an Android. People who live in New York and people who live in Nome probably would find the other’s lifestyle frustrating and opaque.

mbreese 6y ago
I was recently at a party when one person asked someone to take a photo with their phone. They were the only ones there with an Android phone. Not a one of the rest of us could figure out how to do it quickly. The stress of needing to be quick might have also played a part. I’m sure I could figure it out without the pressure, but in the moment, it was impossible to figure out what button did what. I think someone just took a picture with their own iPhone and sent it via email.
- wlesieutre 6y ago
  By the same token, if you don't own an iPhone there's no way you'll find "Swipe over on the lock screen to quickly access the camera" because there's no visible indication that it exists. Nor would you know that swiping down from the battery meter might give you a camera shortcut, or that pulling down on the home screen icons gives you the search box. So you'd probably be hunting through the home screen icons on a borrowed phone to find where they put the camera app.
  - mbreese 6y ago
    I don't know... my lock screen has a camera icon always visible. When you tap it, you get an isolated camera mode that only shows you photos taken in that session. That's the standard screen now, so I think Apple is doing okay on the discoverability front (for that specific use-case -- possibly the only case where something is discoverable in iOS). But I still don't know how to take a picture on an Android phone. I have no idea what the Android virtual buttons mean or what they do at all. With similar logic, my wife still has an iPhone with a physical home button because she doesn't like my (now old) iPhone with the "swipe up" home motion. She doesn't really want to learn how to use a new (ish) gesture. And while I'm on a roll... I also don't understand the buttons on Playstation controllers, preferring the direct lettering of the Xbox or Switch. We are all ultimately creatures of habit.
    - panopticon 6y ago
      > my lock screen has a camera icon always visible. When you tap it, you get an isolated camera mode that only shows you photos taken in that session. That's the standard screen now, so I think Apple is doing okay on the discoverability front (for that specific use-case -- possibly the only case where something is discoverable in iOS). Huge discoverability hiccup with that camera button on the lock screen: you have to tap and hold the camera button to get into the camera (not long, about 1 second). The first time I picked up my partner's iPhone to take a picture for her, I just about pulled my hair out trying to get that button to do anything. I tapped it about a thousand times before she got frustrated and showed me how to operate it.
      - jonny_eh 6y ago
        It's to prevent the phone accidentally unlocking. But your experience does highlight a big problem. They should show a message when you "frustrate" tap explaining what you should do.
    - NightlyDev 6y ago
      With android it varies. Samsung has a camera icon on the lock screen by default that you just use, so that is very easy to figure out. By default, quickly doubletapping the power button also opens the camera, screen on or not. Gesture navigation is also better on Android, but this is probably because iOS never had a back button.
    - wlesieutre 6y ago
      > my lock screen has a camera icon always visible. When you tap it, you get an isolated camera mode Maybe they screwed this up on home-button iPhone models but got it right on the X and newer? Here's my lock screen: https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png I don't see anything resembling a camera icon that I could tap. I can swipe sideways to get to the limited-session camera, but only because I happen to know that shortcut exists. It's not as if the 4" SE is too small to fit a camera button on the screen, but there isn't one. Unless I turned the button off and forgot about it, but I can't imagine Apple offering that sort of UI customization.
  - WorldMaker 6y ago
    > By the same token, if you don't own an iPhone there's no way you'll find "Swipe over on the lock screen to quickly access the camera" because there's no visible indication that it exists There is though: that side (right) of the lock screen has a tiny camera icon at the bottom on iOS. You can long press that icon directly and open the camera, but it also sort of teaches you that sliding is quicker. (Though it's not entirely consistent because the icon on the other side, for quick access to "flashlight", doesn't help teach you that sliding that side opens the "Today" widget screen.)
    - shawnz 6y ago
      My lockscreen on Android also has a camera icon, and when I tap it it says "swipe icon for camera"
      - jonny_eh 6y ago
        At least it educates the user.
    - wlesieutre 6y ago
      Am I missing something? I don't have a button for the camera or for the flashlight. https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png It's not for lack of space on the screen, but maybe Apple got lazy with designing for older phones and just deleted it. Once upon a time I think the camera was indicated better.
  - dublin 6y ago
    Apple makes things insanely opaque at times too: I hate to admit it, but I cursed Apple for years for removing the search function from iOS (which used to be predictably located in the left-of-home desktop/icon pane). It was literally several years after the change before I accidentally swiped down from the middle of the home screen (who the hell thought that was a reasonable control?) and discovered that search wasn't gone, it was just so well-hidden that it took years to accidentally stumble across it. (This wasn't helped by Apple's opinionated approach to UI design, which led me to believe that in their minds, removing search functionality was exactly in line with Ives, et al's then-new "flat" design philosophy of form trumping function. FWIW, finding text on a web page in Safari is another UI abortion...)

by ponker 6y ago

People get used to things. I feel the same way about picking up an Android. People who live in New York and people who live in Nome probably would find the other’s lifestyle frustrating and opaque.

mbreese 6y ago

I was recently at a party when one person asked someone to take a photo with their phone. They were the only ones there with an Android phone. Not a one of the rest of us could figure out how to do it quickly. The stress of needing to be quick might have also played a part. I’m sure I could figure it out without the pressure, but in the moment, it was impossible to figure out what button did what. I think someone just took a picture with their own iPhone and sent it via email.

wlesieutre 6y ago
By the same token, if you don't own an iPhone there's no way you'll find "Swipe over on the lock screen to quickly access the camera" because there's no visible indication that it exists. Nor would you know that swiping down from the battery meter might give you a camera shortcut, or that pulling down on the home screen icons gives you the search box. So you'd probably be hunting through the home screen icons on a borrowed phone to find where they put the camera app.
- mbreese 6y ago
  I don't know... my lock screen has a camera icon always visible. When you tap it, you get an isolated camera mode that only shows you photos taken in that session. That's the standard screen now, so I think Apple is doing okay on the discoverability front (for that specific use-case -- possibly the only case where something is discoverable in iOS). But I still don't know how to take a picture on an Android phone. I have no idea what the Android virtual buttons mean or what they do at all. With similar logic, my wife still has an iPhone with a physical home button because she doesn't like my (now old) iPhone with the "swipe up" home motion. She doesn't really want to learn how to use a new (ish) gesture. And while I'm on a roll... I also don't understand the buttons on Playstation controllers, preferring the direct lettering of the Xbox or Switch. We are all ultimately creatures of habit.
  - panopticon 6y ago
    > my lock screen has a camera icon always visible. When you tap it, you get an isolated camera mode that only shows you photos taken in that session. That's the standard screen now, so I think Apple is doing okay on the discoverability front (for that specific use-case -- possibly the only case where something is discoverable in iOS). Huge discoverability hiccup with that camera button on the lock screen: you have to tap and hold the camera button to get into the camera (not long, about 1 second). The first time I picked up my partner's iPhone to take a picture for her, I just about pulled my hair out trying to get that button to do anything. I tapped it about a thousand times before she got frustrated and showed me how to operate it.
    - jonny_eh 6y ago
      It's to prevent the phone accidentally unlocking. But your experience does highlight a big problem. They should show a message when you "frustrate" tap explaining what you should do.
  - NightlyDev 6y ago
    With android it varies. Samsung has a camera icon on the lock screen by default that you just use, so that is very easy to figure out. By default, quickly doubletapping the power button also opens the camera, screen on or not. Gesture navigation is also better on Android, but this is probably because iOS never had a back button.
  - wlesieutre 6y ago
    > my lock screen has a camera icon always visible. When you tap it, you get an isolated camera mode Maybe they screwed this up on home-button iPhone models but got it right on the X and newer? Here's my lock screen: https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png I don't see anything resembling a camera icon that I could tap. I can swipe sideways to get to the limited-session camera, but only because I happen to know that shortcut exists. It's not as if the 4" SE is too small to fit a camera button on the screen, but there isn't one. Unless I turned the button off and forgot about it, but I can't imagine Apple offering that sort of UI customization.
- WorldMaker 6y ago
  > By the same token, if you don't own an iPhone there's no way you'll find "Swipe over on the lock screen to quickly access the camera" because there's no visible indication that it exists There is though: that side (right) of the lock screen has a tiny camera icon at the bottom on iOS. You can long press that icon directly and open the camera, but it also sort of teaches you that sliding is quicker. (Though it's not entirely consistent because the icon on the other side, for quick access to "flashlight", doesn't help teach you that sliding that side opens the "Today" widget screen.)
  - shawnz 6y ago
    My lockscreen on Android also has a camera icon, and when I tap it it says "swipe icon for camera"
    - jonny_eh 6y ago
      At least it educates the user.
  - wlesieutre 6y ago
    Am I missing something? I don't have a button for the camera or for the flashlight. https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png https://i.imgur.com/tyOYZXW.png It's not for lack of space on the screen, but maybe Apple got lazy with designing for older phones and just deleted it. Once upon a time I think the camera was indicated better.
- dublin 6y ago
  Apple makes things insanely opaque at times too: I hate to admit it, but I cursed Apple for years for removing the search function from iOS (which used to be predictably located in the left-of-home desktop/icon pane). It was literally several years after the change before I accidentally swiped down from the middle of the home screen (who the hell thought that was a reasonable control?) and discovered that search wasn't gone, it was just so well-hidden that it took years to accidentally stumble across it. (This wasn't helped by Apple's opinionated approach to UI design, which led me to believe that in their minds, removing search functionality was exactly in line with Ives, et al's then-new "flat" design philosophy of form trumping function. FWIW, finding text on a web page in Safari is another UI abortion...)