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The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read
by AnonC 6y ago
The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc.
I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and decide when to upgrade. I don’t even run beta versions of macOS point updates, which is in stark contrast to iOS betas, which have been of better quality (comparatively).
Edit: Apple seems to be ignoring long term Mac users (even the vocal ones) for quite sometime. It was poorer hardware quality and lack of hardware updates for several years. Now it’s software, where it’s been going about removing what makes native macOS experiences great. The Catalyst apps are not “native Mac apps” by any stretch of imagination.
- Synaesthesia 6y agoPersonally I’ve had zero issues upgrading to Catalina, it seems to perform better than Mojave for me, and more stable too.
- knolan 6y agoI’ve a major 10.15 issue on two Macs where doing any kind of calculation in Spotlight maxes out all cores on the CPU for 10-15 minutes.
- CharlesW 6y agoFriend, it's time for a clean install. You should never have to do one, but macOS isn't yet iPadOS, and cruft happens.
- iNerdier 6y agoSorry but that’s absolutely rubbish. You shouldn’t have to wipe everything from a computer to have it usable, ever.
- reaperducer 6y agoYou shouldn’t have to wipe everything from a computer to have it usable, ever. Thanks, I laughed a little at that. People have been saying exactly that for as long as operating systems have been on disk. I was thinking just a few days ago that I must have installed OS/2 50 or 60 times in its day. I can't calculate the number of weeks of my life I've wasted babysitting clean operating system installs. You're right, it shouldn't happen. But we're decades away from that being the reality.
- Chazprime 6y ago+1 The Catalina beta was a sh!tshow on my MacBook Pro, as was the first (upgraded) release. A fresh install made most of the issues go away.
- knolan 6y agoIt’s a new 16” that I set up new.
- CharlesW 6y agoWow, then my apologies for offering non-applicable advice. I'm crazy-curious what it could be.
- jtbayly 6y agoI just read about this here: https://talk.tidbits.com/t/psa-catalina-spotlight-is-broken-calculator-excessive-load/12654 https://talk.tidbits.com/t/psa-catalina-spotlight-is-broken-... It's one of the most recent reasons I have yet to update to Catalina.
- mmastrac 6y agoOh huh. I use that feature pretty often. I have my fan speeds ramped up to max 24/7 so I never noticed mds_stores going crazy but - yep there it goes.
- nudgeee 6y agoI've had tons of graphics issues (lockups, glitches), and it seems i'm not alone [0][1]. [0] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/constant-kernel-panics-userspace-watchdog-timeout-no-successful-checkins-from-com-apple-windowserver.2222878/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/constant-kernel-panics-... [1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/strange-chrome-browser-graphical-glitches.2229803/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/strange-chrome-browser-...
- spike021 6y agoI've recently switched jobs. At my previous role, the 15 inch retina 2016 MBP I was using never had issues on Catalina. At this new role, the 2019 13inch retina MBP I was given seems to have one or two kernel panics a week on Catalina. Also, I haven't noticed this other issue lately, but for a couple of months my laptop screen would flicker/distort and times for a moment or two; have not noticed that issue since setting up a home office with external monitor for obvious, current reasons.
- _hardwaregeek 6y agoIt’s a little too early to see the effects of Jony Ive’s departure. He left less than a year ago. He probably had a decent role in designing Big Sur. Plus all the remaining designers were probably hired by Jony. I doubt we’ll see big change until a few years out.
- marrone12 6y agoAlso didn't he leave to create his own design firm, whose biggest client is Apple? His influence will be all over their products for a while.
- jbverschoor 6y agoYeah. Lack of keyboard support in some apps. Not being able to drag/drop certain icons. I’d have to see the interface to see if it’s good for fast discoverability of features, but I doubt it. It’s starting to look more like windows, but in a bad way.
- rado 6y agoThe new Catalyst slide said “full keyboard support”. They’d be crazy not to add it.
- reaperducer 6y agoEven iOS doesn't have full keyboard support. Trying to delete (instead of backspace) brings up the emoji palette, even using Apple's own keyboards.
- thrusong 6y agoI got Windows Vista vibes from Big Sur's UI as I was scrolling through this terrible website. Performance was horrible in Firefox on a MacBook Air (mid-2012), which has been dropped from support for this latest macOS.
- Chazprime 6y agoHopefully they'll have an option to reduce the corner radius of windows & views... it looks a bit too bubbly for my taste. Brings back memories of the "candy" widgets of the first OSX release. Otherwise, it actually looks okay to me.
- Corrado 6y agoI kinda agree with you on the "bubbly" look. However, I'm pretty excited about the Widgets stuff. I really like(d) the Widgets in OS X and even built one to show weather radar. Even though it's kinda silly and not super useful it was nice to be able to hit one button and get an image of any storms in my area. I was really bummed when they removed that functionality in Catalina and it's been one of the reasons I haven't updated yet. However, it looks like this functionality is back, albeit in a different form. You have to do a bit more work to build it in Swift vs Javascript but I don't think that's too bad. Plus it might actually work on iOS as well.
- deltron3030 6y agoI think it's the transparency that's looking a bit weird, especially if you disable this stuff yourself.
- wycy 6y agoCatalina is the one and only macOS upgrade I regret doing. It has mostly been bug-free, but I was surprised how much software no longer works due to the 64-bit change.
- r00fus 6y agoWhat is not working for you? I did the analysis a while back and (I stopped doing kexts back when SIP hit) - I have like no 32bit apps worth keeping (I don't have to use legacy Photoshop).
- reaperducer 6y agoThe accounting software my accountant requires me to use for my business is 32-bit. Luckily I have an old iMac in the closet I use as a media server and for the accounting software.
- corobo 6y agoAt least you’re not having to do it with pen and paper I guess That sounds like a right pain in the arse. I’d have replaced them if they’re not using updated software personally.
- reaperducer 6y agoEasy to say. Not a sound decision with multiple decades of financial documents, both personal and for multiple businesses.
- corobo 6y agoPay the new accountant to deal with the old one haha Anyway yeah it's not my business so it's not by business, nose un-poked-in
- Smoosh 6y agoI haven't upgraded because my Fujitsu scanner only has 32 bit drivers. I'll have to come up with a kludge using SANE.
- heavyset_go 6y agoCatalina was the primary motivator to move back to Linux for myself, and I don't regret it. If you care about things like this, you can configure Plasma Desktop with macOS features and shortcuts and end up feeling right at home.
- dijksterhuis 6y agoI've been umm-ing and ahh-ing about making the switch to a linux laptop full time. Currently have my work desktop (linux + windows for gaming :D) at home for lockdown and a file share/media server (linux) hooked up to the tele. All seems to work. Even my firewire audio interface is more stable on my linux work desktop (it's not supported on Windows 10 > 1903 / OSX > 10.13). The one thing that is keeping me switching is Apple Music w/ the iCloud Music Library syncing. Legit the only reason I haven't ditched my 10 year old macbook pro yet.
- heavyset_go 6y agoI was stuck with Google Music for a while until I ran a Jellyfin instance along with some Subsonic fork. I just VPN in and use the Android client or DSub when I want to listen to music, or use the web interface from my computer. This was another choice that I don't regret.
- gtf21 6y agoCatalina was the straw that broke this camel's back as well. 15 years on a Mac and I'm back on Linux.
- freetonik 6y agoCurrently contemplating the switch as well. Any recommendations about making the keyboard shortcuts as similar to macOS as possible? I'll be using my MBP, and after years of muscle memory, it'd be nice if I could continue using CMD as the primary modifier key for all things: clipboard, navigation, etc. I know you can configure everything, but maybe there's some easy patch or pre-configured plugin for KDE?
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- QuixoticQuibit 6y agoYeah, the design is far too “bubbly” and “floaty” and really doesn’t fit what I’d want out of a desktop environment.
- guessbest 6y agoIt seems very busy. I wonder what the average ago of a macbook user is.
- 72deluxe 6y agoEvery app looks like the old iTunes, which had an appalling interface. I don’t understand this at all.
- ksec 6y agoYes, but I am giving them some benefits of the doubt as it is not in Dark Mode. Hoping it would like a little better in it.
- modzu 6y agowindows 8 anyone?
- andrekandre 6y agomy immediate reaction to seeing that ui was 1. playdoh os 2. (more seriously) its pretty obvious they are making it look like ios so that catalyst and pure ios/ipad apps dont look too out of place personaliy, i think its a bit sad, because it makes the desktop feel less professional and notice the larger fonts, spacing etc... seems like the ui could be used for touchscreens almost, instead of optimized for mouse/keyboard....
- 72deluxe 6y agoIt seems a UI regression is a new feature for every OS these days. Very disappointing.
- ksec 6y ago> iOSification Those square icons really got on my nerve for some strange reason. The previous design at least I know I am using a Mac. Now I felt like I am using a glorified iOS. It feels more like iPadOS being ported to Mac.