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I hate that they’re moving to a design where buttons don’t have borders and textures, don’t provide any visual guidances on what’s a button and what’s not. But

I hate that they’re moving to a design where buttons don’t have borders and textures, don’t provide any visual guidances on what’s a button and what’s not. But I absolutely despise them for making iOS apps installable on macOS. That’s... just terrible. This WWDC just felt like that Apple decided that macOS should get merged with iOS and converged them. The Mac doesn’t have a future...

ljm 6y ago
It looks like it's more tailored for lifestyle use. No big deal for a lot of people but Windows/WSL or Linux by itself feel like they will have more developer appeal if this direction continues.
kjakm 6y ago
>> But I absolutely despise them for making iOS apps installable on macOS. That’s... just terrible. Don't use them then? Seems like a useful feature to me for certain utility apps that don't require a proper Mac app/can't afford to develop one.
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  The Mac that I originally grew to love did not represent that lame compromise you're describing. It's strength and beauty was in the apps tailored entirely to the platform, not cheap tacky ports because the developer couldn't be bothered.
- hollandheese 6y ago
  Might not have a choice. When OS/2 added Windows app support it killed actual OS/2 apps. Why bother supporting the Mac when you could just make an iPad app and get both markets at once.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    > Why bother supporting the Mac when you could just make an iPad app and get both markets at once. Yea, this is what I'm afraid of. Instead of continued investing in their high quality Mac app, companies will just drop it on the ground and spend all their time working on their toy iPad/iPhone apps, expecting people to switch.
  - messe 6y ago
    I think that's the real purpose of Apple introducing catalyst way before this announcement. To make it easier to enhance iPad apps to take full advantage of macOS.
whywhywhywhy 6y ago
>But I absolutely despise them for making iOS apps installable on macOS. That’s... just terrible. Can't shake the feeling that a not-insignificant number of people inside Apple now see the future of the Mac just being a place that can run 6 iPhone apps at once and that's it's only strength. Just from some of the wording in today's keynote.
bondarchuk 6y ago
>making iOS apps installable on macOS Does that mean I can ditch my phone and install whatsapp as a standalone desktop app?
leipert 6y ago
Where did they say that? The full feature list doesn't mention it: https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur-preview/features/ https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur-preview/features/
floatingatoll 6y ago
On iOS the Universal Access setting "Button Shapes" and "Differentiate Without Color" seem like the sort of options designed to address these objections. It seems possible they'd end up in Big Sur, though I can't say for sure yet.
makecheck 6y ago
The Mac has always had kludgey ways to run software that seemed out of place on the platform (from Classic, to Java apps that never quite got UI right, to full-blown Windows-desktop-in-a-window, to other UI libraries that have quirks compared to AppKit). I do hate any iOS leaking into macOS but I am at least hopeful that they can smooth it out over time.

ljm 6y ago

It looks like it's more tailored for lifestyle use. No big deal for a lot of people but Windows/WSL or Linux by itself feel like they will have more developer appeal if this direction continues.

kjakm 6y ago

>> But I absolutely despise them for making iOS apps installable on macOS. That’s... just terrible. Don't use them then? Seems like a useful feature to me for certain utility apps that don't require a proper Mac app/can't afford to develop one.

whywhywhywhy 6y ago
The Mac that I originally grew to love did not represent that lame compromise you're describing. It's strength and beauty was in the apps tailored entirely to the platform, not cheap tacky ports because the developer couldn't be bothered.
hollandheese 6y ago
Might not have a choice. When OS/2 added Windows app support it killed actual OS/2 apps. Why bother supporting the Mac when you could just make an iPad app and get both markets at once.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  > Why bother supporting the Mac when you could just make an iPad app and get both markets at once. Yea, this is what I'm afraid of. Instead of continued investing in their high quality Mac app, companies will just drop it on the ground and spend all their time working on their toy iPad/iPhone apps, expecting people to switch.
- messe 6y ago
  I think that's the real purpose of Apple introducing catalyst way before this announcement. To make it easier to enhance iPad apps to take full advantage of macOS.

whywhywhywhy 6y ago

>But I absolutely despise them for making iOS apps installable on macOS. That’s... just terrible. Can't shake the feeling that a not-insignificant number of people inside Apple now see the future of the Mac just being a place that can run 6 iPhone apps at once and that's it's only strength. Just from some of the wording in today's keynote.

bondarchuk 6y ago

>making iOS apps installable on macOS Does that mean I can ditch my phone and install whatsapp as a standalone desktop app?

leipert 6y ago

Where did they say that? The full feature list doesn't mention it: https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur-preview/features/ https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur-preview/features/

floatingatoll 6y ago

On iOS the Universal Access setting "Button Shapes" and "Differentiate Without Color" seem like the sort of options designed to address these objections. It seems possible they'd end up in Big Sur, though I can't say for sure yet.

makecheck 6y ago

The Mac has always had kludgey ways to run software that seemed out of place on the platform (from Classic, to Java apps that never quite got UI right, to full-blown Windows-desktop-in-a-window, to other UI libraries that have quirks compared to AppKit). I do hate any iOS leaking into macOS but I am at least hopeful that they can smooth it out over time.