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> Those were also lower-end computers with poor GPUs. You mean the Surface Pro X? It has similar price tiering to the iPad Pro whose SoC was used in these demo

by messe 6y ago

> Those were also lower-end computers with poor GPUs. You mean the Surface Pro X? It has similar price tiering to the iPad Pro whose SoC was used in these demos.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
...ouch, okay, I just looked up the price of Surface Pro X, and it's $1,000. I forgot how much Microsoft was charging for that thing. Still, the Pro X has poor graphics. I'm going to assume that a dedicated GPU was being used for Tomb Raider—they would have said something otherwise.
- wtallis 6y ago
  > I'm going to assume that a dedicated GPU was being used for Tomb Raider—they would have said something otherwise. They said exactly what SoC they were using, and it's not known to have spare PCIe lanes lying unused in existing products. Apple pretty much just demoed an x86 game running on an overclocked iPad Pro.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    Interesting—are you expecting the Thunderbolt ports in the Developer Transition Kit not to work then? Since it's using a Mac Mini chassis.
    - X-Istence 6y ago
      It's not like Apple can't change what connectors are available on the back of the mac Mini. The form factor may not have changed, but the ports available have in the past releases. Don't be surprised if there is no Thunderbolt 3 at all, but just USB-C.
      - spoppy 6y ago
        It may be that by the time these things are ready for an actual release they can be USB4, which is USB-C + Thunderbolt technology, but no longer Intel exclusive.
    - josephst18 6y ago
      Tech specs on the DTK webpage don’t mention Thunderbolt at all, just USB-C (2 ports) and USB-A (2 ports), plus a HDMI 2.0 port. Makes me wonder how the Pro Display used in the demos was being driven. DisplayPort with USB-C alternate mode?
      - dstaley 6y ago
        It's entirely possible the display was only running at 4K instead of the full, native resolution.
      - spoppy 6y ago
        They only said the demos were running off Apple silicon, not that they were running off a Mac Mini DTK machine. They probably have other systems more akin to Mac Pros that they use internally.
        messe 6y ago
        They said the demos were running on an A12Z.

by messe 6y ago

> Those were also lower-end computers with poor GPUs. You mean the Surface Pro X? It has similar price tiering to the iPad Pro whose SoC was used in these demos.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

...ouch, okay, I just looked up the price of Surface Pro X, and it's $1,000. I forgot how much Microsoft was charging for that thing. Still, the Pro X has poor graphics. I'm going to assume that a dedicated GPU was being used for Tomb Raider—they would have said something otherwise.

wtallis 6y ago
> I'm going to assume that a dedicated GPU was being used for Tomb Raider—they would have said something otherwise. They said exactly what SoC they were using, and it's not known to have spare PCIe lanes lying unused in existing products. Apple pretty much just demoed an x86 game running on an overclocked iPad Pro.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Interesting—are you expecting the Thunderbolt ports in the Developer Transition Kit not to work then? Since it's using a Mac Mini chassis.
  - X-Istence 6y ago
    It's not like Apple can't change what connectors are available on the back of the mac Mini. The form factor may not have changed, but the ports available have in the past releases. Don't be surprised if there is no Thunderbolt 3 at all, but just USB-C.
    - spoppy 6y ago
      It may be that by the time these things are ready for an actual release they can be USB4, which is USB-C + Thunderbolt technology, but no longer Intel exclusive.
  - josephst18 6y ago
    Tech specs on the DTK webpage don’t mention Thunderbolt at all, just USB-C (2 ports) and USB-A (2 ports), plus a HDMI 2.0 port. Makes me wonder how the Pro Display used in the demos was being driven. DisplayPort with USB-C alternate mode?
    - dstaley 6y ago
      It's entirely possible the display was only running at 4K instead of the full, native resolution.
    - spoppy 6y ago
      They only said the demos were running off Apple silicon, not that they were running off a Mac Mini DTK machine. They probably have other systems more akin to Mac Pros that they use internally.
      - messe 6y ago
        They said the demos were running on an A12Z.